(11-09-2023, 09:37 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(11-09-2023, 09:07 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Why? She is accusing him of being anti-American. Are her own children anti-American? Think about what the argument is about. It's a solid defense.

Did Haley use those words?  Or did she point out that China is America's enemy and that Vivek is helping China by using TikTok so much? You and I buy oil from Saudis, which helps America's enemies, but neither of us is anti-American.

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(11-09-2023, 09:07 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I agree. This is true of most politicians, though. I was literally arguing with a professor at an ivy league school, and she said to me, "I will never be for THAT side. I will ALWAYS support my side." This was after I pointed out that even if she thinks Gaetz is the biggest loser in the world, isn't it a win for the people if he could get through something that reformed omnibus bills?

Trump is odd, because he's so outside of the norm, that I think we are able to pick up trends that have always existed but are so common that we overlook them. The other thing that makes it weird is Trump is rare among conservatives in his willingness to fight back. This is what creates his rabid fanbase. Politics should never be a "this" side or "that" side always. Lesser of two evils is killing us. 

So, while I think it's true that Trump has cult-like followers, it's also true of conservatives, liberals, and progressives. We have consistently seen large swaths of people overlook severe deficiencies in talent, ethics, mental cognizance, etc. in the name of "my side always."

He's not fighting for you though. Nor is he fighting to change any policy or anything about how government works. He's just fighting for the respect he feels he is owed, nothing more.  Which is why when he picks a fight he always picks the most petty and pointless fight possible.

Tomato tomato to your first response (that works better in person). Is Haley's daughter helping China by using TikTok so much? The point is the same.

To your second, if his vanity works in my interest, so be it. Even if he wants America to be the nicest house on the block for his own self-interest, that works for me. Trump did a fine job of keeping us out of wars and trying to bring back jobs and securing us resources. I'll take that any day over what we have currently.

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