(11-28-2023, 03:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: (11-28-2023, 03:05 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Ah good old fashioned global cooling... I mean warming... I mean climate change. Look, it's undeniable that humans contribute to climate change in SOME capacity. I still think the single biggest contributor is roofs and concrete, but, yeah, let's kill the cows first and see how that goes, I guess.
Killing the cows is actually the problem they are trying to address

In all seriousness - the methane situation is an actual problem in the grand scheme of greenhouse effect and the meat industry is the largest culprit.
I don't go many meals without consuming raised livestock of some sort - but it sure wouldn't hurt anyone's health to consume more sustainable seafood or mix in a veg-based meal from time to time. Doesn't have to be some bio-engineered substitute. Just something more sustainable on the dinner table 10% of the time would make a BIG difference in the methane production from the meat industry.
I hear this argument from time to time. Our oceans are just as polluted as the air we breath and it's also subject to the climate change cycle. With radiation and nuclear waste lingering in it there's nothing really all that safe to eat. Moderation is always key. Regardless of diet or lifestyle.
The biggest issue we have on this planet is wastefulness. I think that's something that gets lost in all of this. A lot of consumers buying a bunch of [BLEEP] that they don't end up consuming and it just goes to waste and therefore, it's a waste of time for the manufacture's to keep it pumping.
Even if we all decided to stop eating meat tomorrow though, what do you think happens to the land, soil and water supply? You now need just as much care, resources and consumption to maintain that as well as worrying about the pesticides and the Monsanto aspect of that challenge with GMO's, etc.
We're really not winning in either situation. I have cut back on meat consumption personally for two reasons.
1. It's expensive
2. Don't feel like cooking it every day of the week.
Sometimes a frozen bag of gnocchi from trader joe's with a mixed in bag of frozen vegetables is fine. If you need protein? Add some beans or drink a protein shake. I find Whey Protein and Black Eyed Peas right now being the best "bang for your buck" with cost to protein ratio wise.
But, man, I sure do like buying my giant packs of steaks at Costco still. At least once every three months I'll give into temptation.
"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."