(01-08-2024, 11:48 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(01-08-2024, 11:42 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: Yeah the fumbles have been an issue, but Bortles was way more careless with the ball through the air and his completion percentage was under 60% for his career.  A comparison of years 2 and 3 for both tells a different story.  And of course watching the two play and understanding context helps immensely.  Bortles routinely threw picks on our own side of the field.  That's not been a consistent theme with Trevor. He's generally been careful with the ball in the air though that changed a bit after the high ankle sprain.

Bortles years 2 and 3: 58 TDs 34 INTs 11 Fumbles (45 tuyrnovers)
Lawrence years 2 and 3: 46 TDs 22 INTS 22 Fumbles ( 44 turnovers )



Does it tho..

Yes, you've isolated his biggest concern which is the fumbles which isn't a reflection on his ability as a passer or QB.  Many have occurred without contact as he takes off to run.  It needs to be fixed and yes it's aggravating that we're now through year 3 and it hasn't significantly changed.  It's a legitimate gripe.  

I would have also liked to have seen more TD passes wind up on the stat sheet this year for him, but again there are plenty of guys who throw a bunch of TD passes and in turn throw a bunch of INTs because they are just throwing it up and hoping versus knowing better when to throw it or not.  They don't last long as starters because they cost you games you would otherwise have won and by extension get coaches fired.  Bortles is one of those guys as is Jameis Winston.  They're fine as back ups, but you can't trust them for a full season.  

Number of TD passes isn't necessarily a reflection of being a better QB.  It requires a context of having watched the players play and an understanding of what you're seeing versus just pulling up football stats years later which as I've said to you multiple times previously isn't the same thing as looking at baseball stats.  You'd body people in baseball stat conversations, I have no doubt.  Here, it comes off more as an attachment to your initial negative opinion on him.  He had a statistically underwhelming 3rd year for whatever reason(s) based on where expectations were.  Having watched the entire season, I think the bulk of those reasons were things outside of his control that contributed to it and I believe based on what I've seen with my eyes that he and the team will bounce back next year when certain roster issues are (hopefully) properly addressed.

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