(01-08-2024, 12:36 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(01-08-2024, 11:48 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Bortles years 2 and 3: 58 TDs 34 INTs 11 Fumbles (45 tuyrnovers)
Lawrence years 2 and 3: 46 TDs 22 INTS 22 Fumbles ( 44 turnovers )



Does it tho..

Yes, you've isolated his biggest concern which is the fumbles which isn't a reflection on his ability as a passer or QB.  Many have occurred without contact as he takes off to run.  It needs to be fixed and yes it's aggravating that we're now through year 3 and it hasn't significantly changed.  It's a legitimate gripe.  

I would have also liked to have seen more TD passes wind up on the stat sheet this year for him, but again there are plenty of guys who throw a bunch of TD passes and in turn throw a bunch of INTs because they are just throwing it up and hoping versus knowing better when to throw it or not.  They don't last long as starters because they cost you games you would otherwise have won and by extension get coaches fired.  Bortles is one of those guys as is Jameis Winston.  They're fine as back ups, but you can't trust them for a full season.  

Number of TD passes isn't necessarily a reflection of being a better QB.  It requires a context of having watched the players play and an understanding of what you're seeing versus just pulling up football stats years later which as I've said to you multiple times previously isn't the same thing as looking at baseball stats.  You'd body people in baseball stat conversations, I have no doubt.  Here, it comes off more as an attachment to your initial negative opinion on him.  He had a statistically underwhelming 3rd year for whatever reason(s) based on where expectations were.  Having watched the entire season, I think the bulk of those reasons were things outside of his control that contributed to it and I believe based on what I've seen with my eyes that he and the team will bounce back next year when certain roster issues are (hopefully) properly addressed.

(01-08-2024, 12:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(01-08-2024, 12:28 PM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: Easy to score in Garbage Time.

A lot of Bortles stats came in Garbage time. I feel people forget this, and it's why stats don't tell the whole story.

Exactly. That one year where Bortles had 35 TD's to 17 INT's was mostly produced in garbage time. I remember that year, late in the 4th quarter. He throws a 90 yard TD to Allen Robinson against the Saints in New Orleans. Great pass. For being down by 30 points against a practice squad quality corner there.

This is where I get a little pissed off from my perspective. You get a lot of bottom line readers and box score readers that don't actually watch the game, they don't actually see the battle flow nor the typical downs and distances that all lead into these issues and up's and down's and twist's and turns. 

The Bortles and Gabbert era's were dark. With one good year that was carried by a stout defense that feasted on an underwhelming schedule with QB challenged teams and a promising rookie season debut by Fournette and some help from Yeldon and Grant. There was nothing overly special about that 2017 season other than the defense playing out of it's mind and Bortles managing to play like Joe Flacco in the post season. 

Lawrence is far from perfect. We all know that. This roster and coaching staff is all far from perfect and the decision makers in the personnel department are not helping. So, again, it's overreaction Monday for 90% of the MSM, the local's and this diehard fanbase. I get it.

Ultimately. Everybody needs to play better. Nobody is absolved from this. Not even our best football players. Where was Josh Allen on defense yesterday? Where was Oluokon? Where was Walker? We needed those guys the most in crunch time and they ultimately weren't enough with the other eight starters on defense to overcome a 28 point deficit. 

They allowed a 6 win team to dictate the terms of battle from the very first whistle. Period. They ran it right up our [BLEEP]. What did our defense do? They bent over and said "Right this way please". Nobody deserves a pass for this disaster. Nobody.