(01-15-2024, 10:35 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(01-15-2024, 09:09 AM)Sneakers Wrote: In other words, by your admission, Trump singlehandedly stopped an insurrection attempt in progress.  If he is found not guilty, doesn't that make him the hero who saved the country from plunging into anarchy?

He can't take credit for stopping it unless he also takes blame for starting it.

Sometimes it's helpful to check your ethics in an alternate history scenario.

Let's suppose that Hillary won in 2016, and Trump went for a rematch in 2020.  In this alternate 2020, there is a massive increase in absentee voting and Trump gets over 80 million votes and clearly wins the electoral college.  Alternate-Hillary then does everything Real-Trump did.  She says the absentee votes are fake.  She leads a rally and directs them to the Capitol to violently disrupt the counting. She specifically asks the mob to attack the VP and the Speaker. Then, after it is clear that all the officials have escaped to safety, including her VP Alternate Tim Kaine, and clear that all the security staff remained loyal to the Constitution, after testing them for 4 hours, she tells her people to go home, and they do.

What would you have said then?  Would you be OK with her running now, or would you call her an insurrectionist?