(02-08-2024, 09:20 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(02-08-2024, 08:01 AM)mikesez Wrote: Yeah, only a simpleton would value elections.  A richly complex and layered man such as yourself would say, "meh, I wasn't voting anyways."

Look, dude. Here is what you and the other moderates who can't tolerate discomfort fail to seem to understand.

It takes the collective voice of the people to put pressure on the elites. They need to fear us. Not necessarily in a violent way, but at the very least in our ability to take away their power. This can't happen because too many of you keep taking it up the [BLEEP], because that's just how it is. Our last election was a complete [BLEEP] show. You allowed mail-in voting. They changed years of voting procedure overnight, without proper democratic measures because of Covid. You allowed people to harvest ballots. You allowed big money interference. You allowed the narrative to be crafted around the election instantly and you went with it unquestioningly. You allowed polling places to throw out observers, and you allowed weeks of delayed vote counting until, miraculously, every swing state had just enough votes for Biden to win. You tolerated half-[BLEEP] investigations and didn't even think twice about how quickly the entire media complex just drove right past these issues. 

You cannot trust the powers that be. You just can't. You can't have a transparent and accountable system without scrutiny. You can't have scrutiny without responsible media that works FOR the people. If you believe that's what we have currently, you're a fool. Our media is corrupt to the core. They do what they do for money. The people with money control what is said and not said, not to the tiniest minutia, obviously, but generally, by putting pressure on networks via control of advertising revenue. 

And here's the deal, I have said this since the day of the election: Our job was not to overthrow Biden and put Trump back in the White House because of these shenanigans. Our job was to clamor for a more transparent system, demand a thorough investigation, demand our journalists seek out answers, demand accountability for elected officials and bureaucrats that take it upon themselves change the laws unilaterally, and demand big money gets out of politics. 

Our collective voice matters. It doesn't matter if Trump was cheated or not. Our electoral system is clearly mistrusted by both the right AND the left. It's mistrusted because powerful people are breaking it. They are breaking it for their own greed and self-interest, and you keep running around talking about stupid [BLEEP] like your vote matters. Money matters. You're delusional, complacent, and the reason our system is failing. You're uneducated and lazy, but you're comfortable.

The 2020 election was investigated more than any other election in history.  It was even investigated by people who claimed, prior to their investigation, that there was cheating and they would expose it (see Cyber Ninjas, Arizona).   They failed to find the cheating they claimed they would find.  

I think the reason you think there wasn't a thorough investigation is because the investigators didn't come to the conclusion you wanted, or failed to turn up the evidence you thought they should turn up.

And as for me "taking it up the [BLEEP]," I don't think I am.  So you think somehow the system is [BLEEP] you over?  Why?  What is going on in your life that makes you think the system is putting it up your [BLEEP]?  I'm asking because I am curious as to why a seemingly intelligent person would believe what you believe, about the system conspiring against you.

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