(05-31-2024, 11:00 AM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote:

(05-31-2024, 10:58 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Obama did not invade Ukraine.  Putin did.  

Maybe you think we should let Putin do whatever he wants to do.  Conquer and subjugate neighboring countries.  We've seen what happens when we sit back and allow that.  The perpetrator gets way too bold.  And then we have to take action to stop it.  And that's when American boys start dying by the hundreds of thousands.   No, it's better to stop it now, before it gets way out of control.

2014... did Obama instigate a coup that made Zelensky leader for life? In a country we promised Russia we wouldn't interfere with?

Then with an agreement on the table did the Obama administration FORCE Ukraine to say no?

To say that Putin unilaterally invaded Ukraine with no pretext is just disingenuous

No, Obama did not insitigate a coup in the Ukraine.  That is a myth perpetrated by the Russian government.  

2014-Coup-1.pdf (poder360.com.br)

In a country we promised Russia we wouldn't interfere with?  

Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for a promise that Russia would leave them alone.  Russia broke that promise.  

Putin invaded Ukraine because he wanted to restore the old Soviet Union.  Plus, he thought it would be easy, and the evidence of that is the way he tried to have his army just walk in and take control, as if the Ukrainians wouldn't resist.

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