(06-11-2024, 04:43 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(06-11-2024, 04:16 PM)Sneakers Wrote: Don't you think the burden of proof to support a charge of insurrection should be a little higher than what a handful of people thought his tweets meant?

Sure.  In a court of law, certainly.  In a random internet forum, no, I am not a prosecutor and you are not a juror.

By the way Trump has been indicted for his conduct on and around January 6.  Four charges. Conspiracy to defraud the US, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, conspiracy against the right to have one's vote counted.

So far his only defense has been that his behavior was all "official acts as President" and therefore he is immune from prosecution.  His lawyers have not mounted any other defense.  We are waiting on a Supreme Court decision.

They also had to amend the law and clarify what the role of the VP is during certification after the fact.  Why on earth would they need to do that?  

You know why, but you won't admit it.  Trump's plan for that day was a bad idea, but it was not a crime.  He rallied a crowd to peacefully protest at the capitol in an effort to visibly show Pence the level of support he had and to sway him to do something that was, as written at the time, a gray area but also clearly political suicide for Pence.  I don't blame him for not going along even though I'm highly suspicious of the election day result.  And even if fraudulent votes weren't significant enough to move the needle, the Dems and their leftist judges still changed election law in swing states in the 11th hour while early voting was going on to extend the deadline for mail in votes. That's complete [BLEEP] and probably did impact the results in swing states.

Intent matters though.  I don't believe Trump's intent was for violence of any kind and nothing he said given the full context in the lead up or on that day supports the idea that he intended to incite violence.  If intent doesn't matter, you're essentially outlawing anyone from rallying a crowd with the intent to peacefully protest and that is very un-American.  Prosecute the bad actors.  If there is proof of a conspiracy and that directives were given to bad actors in the crowd from Trump or his camp, then investigate and throw the book at him.  Otherwise, drop the left-wing, faux outrage nonsense.

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