(07-19-2024, 12:45 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(07-18-2024, 07:31 AM)mikesez Wrote: The numbers aren't important.  When I asked, "is 500 a small enough number" you're supposed to realize that tying it to a number at all is ridiculous.
More than one person was violent that day.
Trump is, today, calling the people who were violent that day heroes.
I conclude therefore that Trump wanted violence that day.
How can you conclude otherwise?

What you've also ignored multiple times when brought up is that your argument/logic also severely hinders if not destroys the right to organize, assemble and protest anything.  You can look down on the people that participated there.  You can charge certain individuals with the crimes they individually committed that day.  You cannot tie responsibility for anyone else's actions that day to someone involved in organizing the event without specific and clear evidence that the organizer's intentions were for people to get violent and for them to vandalize the premises and assault officers. 

I'm not in Trump's mind.  I'm not here to claim what his true intentions were, only he knows that.  I'm just here to say you are climbing over the right to protest anything in an effort to get Trump which is likely guided by your existing dislike of him prior to Jan. 6th.  You're trampling the 1st amendment here.  His actions and words weren't evidence enough to convict him.  You may not have liked his speech or his apparent delay in reacting afterwards and you're welcome to personally disqualify him if you like, but none of that suggests beyond the shadow of a doubt what you say it does.

We agree about the bolded part.
I hold that such evidence is already in the public record.
Legally you don't have to be fully in someone's mind to draw conclusions about their intentions or mens rea.  Because we know it is not possible to be in fully in someone else's mind.
I do agree that cases like this push against the first amendment.  That's why the evidence of intent to cause harm should be strong, and in this case, it is. 
He still calls them heroes.

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