(08-27-2024, 11:31 PM)Sneakers Wrote:

(08-27-2024, 05:21 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: NO one is saying we should not get control of the border, and NO one is defending Biden/Harris on that issue.  

Someone said, Trump policy = close the border= 0 illegals.  I'm just saying, yes, by all means, close the border, but be aware, it won't get you to zero.  You have to also deal with the fact that large numbers of illegal aliens are people who came in legally, and never left.   50 million tourists come in from foreign countries every year.  A lot of them decide to stay.  That's a big problem.  And that's a big chunk of the illegals that are in this country.

Post 9,547.  Nobody believes a zero count on illegal border crossings is obtainable. The point, which you're missing or ignoring, is that Republican policy establishes zero as the target goal.  The Democrats have no target.  They've put out the Welcome mat to any and all and simply don't care.
Didn't the Democrats propose limiting illegal crossings to 5,000/day several months ago when trying to get a budget passed?  1,825,000 illegal entries per year is their compromise number!  How much greater is the actual count?  Supporting Biden/Harris IS defending them on this issue.  
Those who enter legally, but stay, are a problem, but we know who they are.  We can find and deport them, if we so choose.  It's just a matter of having the political will to get the job done and it will never happen under a Democratic administration.

That would have been an act of Congress. 
Those would have become legal crossings.
Most of us can agree that we continue to need legal immigration, and many of us would say that we could even use a little more than we have now.  
And all of us should say that's there should be no acceptance of illegal immigration. 

So logically speaking, what almost all of us want is to allow a few more people across the border legally, and then make a very strong effort to make sure no more than that number crosses. 

The real problem is no one trusts any Democrat to make that kind of effort, and very few trust Republicans either.

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