(10-20-2024, 10:30 PM)Jag149 Wrote:

(10-20-2024, 09:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Let me put it to you this way. 

The changes in production between 2022 and 2023  - and now the very different changes between 2023 and 2024 do not seem to align with the scenario in Philly you've compared them to. 

The loss of JBC seemed to have impact on the passing offense to a degree but so did other obvious variables like the disappearance of a viable run game which was directly linked to the OL performance. And at the end of the day the passing efficiency numbers between '22 and '23 were nearly identical. 

This year the Pederson/Taylor braintrust decided to push all their chips in on a downfield attack and it bit them in the rear end more than it clicked. Now it is showing some positive signs (has shown flashes prior to now as well) , but like you, I don't expect it to hold up against better defenses. 

But how is any of that similar to what happened in Philly? 

I just see Pederson's demise in Jax as its own failure with its own set of problems.

Granted the o-line drop off had an impact.  This is where the OC needs to get really creative.

The similarities to Philly are there. When Reich and Defilippo left Doug first promoted his WR coach Grogh who flamed out 2 years later. He now is WR coach for the Giants after a few stops.  He also moved Press up to QB coach.  When Gogh left he had no OC, he had Press. Their offense then became predictable as the creative people were gone and those left got tied up defending play calling.  Their #2 pick all pro young QB regressed over that time.  It is hard to believe it can not be more similar, but that is just me.  Has Doug learned ?

(10-20-2024, 10:04 PM)carp8dm Wrote:

(10-20-2024, 09:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Let me put it to you this way. 

The changes in production between 2022 and 2023  - and now the very different changes between 2023 and 2024 do not seem to align with the scenario in Philly you've compared them to. 

The loss of JBC seemed to have impact on the passing offense to a degree but so did other obvious variables like the disappearance of a viable run game which was directly linked to the OL performance. And at the end of the day the passing efficiency numbers between '22 and '23 were nearly identical. 

This year the Pederson/Taylor braintrust decided to push all their chips in on a downfield attack and it bit them in the rear end more than it clicked. Now it is showing some positive signs (has shown flashes prior to now as well) , but like you, I don't expect it to hold up against better defenses. 

But how is any of that similar to what happened in Philly? 

I just see Pederson's demise in Jax as its own failure with its own set of problems.

Pederson's demise is because of Pederson.  Him and him alone.  

Baalke's failures are his alone as well.  

I don't know why people give so much leeway for Pederson, and yet are so quick to bury Baalke.  They both failed this team.  There's not much more to discuss.  

This is the "Offense" thread.  So, it's totally fine to point out the failures of the so called "offensive minded" HC that was supposed to get our Franchise QB up and running.  Instead, Lawrence has regressed since 2022.  

What happened in Philly is very similar to what we are seeing here.  The locker room has quit on Doug.  Did you see the video of the Locker Room Speech he gave after this win against the Patriots?  Nobody is really engaged with him.  On top of that, the QB peaked his first year and has regressed since then.  On top of that, the HC is no longer willing to take full control of the offense like he did the first year.  All of these are similar to Philly.  Is the song the exact same?  NO.  But the melody is.  It's not the same song, but it's the same tune, the same dance. 

The only good news about Doug's time here in Jax is that he at least hasn't completely washed out Lawrence.  But, I guarantee you that if Doug and his his coaches hang around for 2025, we'll be drafting another #1 QB in 2026 or 2027.  

Why let him continue to prove he's failing?  Let's just move on, shall we?

Edit:  And regarding the assertion that we didn't have a "viable run game" in 2023...  ETN ran for 1000 yards and played great all season.  Dude was a work horse.  The fact that some fans are so fast to [BLEEP] on ETN is beyond me.  Tank had promise, but they shut him down after his fumbles.  It was only ETN for basically the entire season, and he played hard.  Dude gave his soul for this team in 2023.