(10-27-2024, 06:52 PM)enigma Wrote:

(10-27-2024, 06:46 PM)carp8dm Wrote: Let's not forget that the Jaguars D saved this offense for the entire 1st half...

I'm not saying we don't get rid of Neilsen.  I'm just saying that this Jaguar D held the Packers to 13 points while Dougie and his boy's offense pissed all down their leg for 20 game time minutes.  You have to give credit to the players on D.  Yeah, the secondary is suspect.  But the players on D over-all are good enough to keep the game close. 

We got an INT in the red zone for crying out loud.  The D did the best they could do for as long as they could do it.  My question is this.  Why would Neilsen not realize that once Love was out of the game that they should focus on their RB??????

It's just bad coaching, guys.  It's obvious.

Agree completely with you up until the very last point.

It is bad coaching, but those turnovers - the interception AND fumble - were solely on the player who committed those errors. And that led to 14 straight points to the Packers after they got amazing field position.

The defense did it's thing for most of the game outside of the very last drive, but those turnovers by TLaw and the 14 points scored in a span of 1:15 do not fall on the defense, given the position they were put in.

And yeah, Jarrian made a tremendous interception only for it to be given right back to the Packers unfortunately.

Jags problems = Players + Coaching

(10-27-2024, 07:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:

(10-27-2024, 06:47 PM)enigma Wrote: I hope you're noticing my focus and level-headed opinions on the defense right now, because I know sometimes most of the hardcore Trevor supporters would say things like "defense does bad -> doesn't get blamed; offense does bad -> Trevor gets blamed".

I'm equal opportunity here with my criticisms, but I will also say that Trevor indeed was a major portion of this loss with those terrible turnovers. But I'll just leave it with our discourse in the massive TLaw thread.

I am and I wasn't saying you only blame Trevor. I have a lot of respect for you and often agree with your assessments. I just think we're in different positions on Trevor.

With the D, I just find myself at a loss to pinpoint one or two things that are easy fixes. I definitely agree with your comments about us being slow. We play soft coverage and really struggle once WR's make a move. 

I do think we're stuck in a tough spot on the D. The players and system aren't working together. You can't change the system and you can't change the players.

(10-27-2024, 07:19 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:

(10-27-2024, 06:46 PM)carp8dm Wrote: Let's not forget that the Jaguars D saved this offense for the entire 1st half...

I'm not saying we don't get rid of Neilsen.  I'm just saying that this Jaguar D held the Packers to 13 points while Dougie and his boy's offense pissed all down their leg for 20 game time minutes.  You have to give credit to the players on D.  Yeah, the secondary is suspect.  But the players on D over-all are good enough to keep the game close. 

We got an INT in the red zone for crying out loud.  The D did the best they could do for as long as they could do it.  My question is this.  Why would Neilsen not realize that once Love was out of the game that they should focus on their RB??????

It's just bad coaching, guys.  It's obvious.

It's not just coaching. Some of the players have been awful this year. This is where the frustration is. Is it players not working/understanding the system which is causing problems? Is the system bad and hanging players out to dry? This isn't a D filled with rookies and UFA'S. There's talent on this D.

Here's where I struggle with your post. The D should be able to stop teams. It's literally their job. I'm not saying they should have shutouts every game but the expectations should be more than we didn't give up a TD on this drive. They rarely get turnovers, we don't get many sacks. 

Let's just look at the last 4 games.

Colts- 447 Total yards and 35 points
Bears- 373 total yards and 35 points
Patriots- 295 total yards and 16 points 
Packers- 422 total yards and 30 points.

You say the D did the best they could do for as long as they could. We still gave up over 400yds and 30 points. I personally feel we should expect more from a D.

(10-27-2024, 07:26 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote:

(10-27-2024, 05:20 PM)carp8dm Wrote: But do you think you need to blow up the entire D?

That's my real point.  Neilsen is not good, but I think there are players on the D at every level that can make this D great over 1 offseason with the right GM and the right DC.

I think as far as every level is concerned . Trevon and Josh are still good ball playes… as of now no one else up front is… we signed Armstead in a situation where it looks like his best is behind. And also we refuse to use him like he should be on important downs. 

Oluekon is and véntelo shows promise 


Tyson in secondary yes, but anyone else … not very good.

Bottom line coaching is not there and Talent is not there in critical spots especially  at DT and in secondary. And it’s not even close. All parties need to go