(11-12-2024, 08:09 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(11-12-2024, 04:28 AM)p_rushing Wrote: America and others caused the current situation by installing this government.

Right or wrong depends on which side you are on. Before with Russia friendlier leaders, there wasn't a war and Ukraine and it's male population being destroyed. After the color revolution, the war was enviable as Russia was going to act at some point.

While it may be Americans doing a lot of this, I don't really see this as US vs Russia. This is the elites vs Russia. Russia is the last remaining large country without their control.

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You're nuts.  America did not install Zelensky.  He got like 3/4 of the vote there.  Ukraine picked him.

Also, Putin is one of the billionaires of the world and other billionaires in Russia are his biggest supporters. Russia is very much controlled by the global elite.

Who is responsible?  Who pushed this? Well we need a list of suspects. My top 3.

First the promise claimed by Mikhail Gorbachev.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controvers..._expansion

Second the Open Society,
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/v...idan-alive

Last the Biden connection
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66272217

Your list may be different than mine. My take is we will never completely know the facts, so like the 2020 presidential election, all we can do now is deal with the fallout.

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