(11-12-2024, 10:48 AM)Jag149 Wrote:

(11-12-2024, 08:09 AM)mikesez Wrote: You're nuts.  America did not install Zelensky.  He got like 3/4 of the vote there.  Ukraine picked him.

Also, Putin is one of the billionaires of the world and other billionaires in Russia are his biggest supporters. Russia is very much controlled by the global elite.

Who is responsible?  Who pushed this? Well we need a list of suspects. My top 3.

First the promise claimed by Mikhail Gorbachev.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controvers..._expansion

Second the Open Society,
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/v...idan-alive

Last the Biden connection
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66272217

Your list may be different than mine. My take is we will never completely know the facts, so like the 2020 presidential election, all we can do now is deal with the fallout.

Ukraine did not actually have a revolution in 2014. They're operating under the same constitution. The president at the time attempted to violently put down protests, but the protests were so overwhelming that the parliament decided to sympathize with them and remove that president. Zelinsky was elected years afterwards in an ordinary election. The preferences of normal Ukrainian people were the driving force at each step.

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