(11-11-2024, 08:05 PM)p_rushing Wrote:

(11-11-2024, 06:40 PM)Jag149 Wrote:  You left out some stuff. Voted to join Russia at the point of a gun. A fair election in whose eyes? Yours? Russia? Best thing is to put the borders back and let them take care of themselves.

You can't put the borders back. Ukraine continually attacked the areas for 8 years because they want to ethically cleanse them of Russians. The people don't want to go back to Ukraine and be bombed again. They have already voted to leave.
You need to understand the long history on why these people hate each other. The recent history back to Stalin's actions explains a lot but the issues go much further back.

Ukraine needs fair elections since alternative parties have been banned, martial law was declared, and the election was canceled. Repeating stuff that is already in this long thread but one of the biggest reasons the war happened was because the US and NATO caused multiple color revolutions led by Victoria Nuland. She is an evil woman and at the head of a lot of the world issues.

If NATO stops pushing closer to Russia and the US leaves things alone, peace may be able to be reached. It would have been reached long ago if Biden had allowed it.

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The numbers of deaths in Donbass pre 2022 make your first paragraph claims rather silly. And the post Maidan elections have been fair and accepted world wide. As to not holding elections now it is prevented by law due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. NATO isn't "pushing". The nations joining NATO post 1991 do so because of the actions of the USSR and later Russia. Finland and Sweden joined because of Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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