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flgatorsandjags · 12-17-2024, 10:07 AM

(12-14-2024, 08:49 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 12:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Vrabel was a much better close and its not even close lol. He made the playoffs in 3 of his 6 years there and one year taking them to the AFC Championship. In his worst season there he won 6 games and had a winning record in 4 of the 6. A lot of those Ten teams over performed when Vrabel was the coach. It was underrated with what Vrabel did with those teams imo.

If they would have kicked a FG instead of going for in on 4th they would have won the game, they could have just kicked a FG at the end to win it. . They tried to throw it too much when their run game was looking great as well. Callahan is an offensive coach that put up 6 poing against the worst D in the league at home lol. It's not comparison really. Ask any Titans fan who the better coach is.

Vrabel won mostly when he had Arthur Smith and Matt LaFleur as OC's and possibly the last HoF elite RB in a watered down AFC South division.

He gets some credit for finding those guys and recognizing that he should use a run and pound offensive system. But key points for Vrabel is that he is supposed to elevate the physicality, culture and defense. I was mainly pointing the Titans still have a good defense and still demonstrate physicality. It may be too early to evaluate their culture right now, so I'll give that Vrabel.

All I'm saying is that he is no where close to a slam dunk hire. And bringing him here would be highly contingent on who he targets for OC, how he plans on keeping the OC for sometime and the pipeline for when that OC leaves if the Jags do well. That is a very shaky foundation for a new coaching staff.

There is no such thing as a slam dunk hire imo. It was very impressive what he did with those Tack teams. Would love to bring Vrabel here if he could find the right OC. Learning under one of, if not the best coach of all time helps as well.

(12-16-2024, 10:35 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(12-14-2024, 12:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Vrabel was a much better close and its not even close lol. He made the playoffs in 3 of his 6 years there and one year taking them to the AFC Championship. In his worst season there he won 6 games and had a winning record in 4 of the 6. A lot of those Ten teams over performed when Vrabel was the coach. It was underrated with what Vrabel did with those teams imo.

If they would have kicked a FG instead of going for in on 4th they would have won the game, they could have just kicked a FG at the end to win it. . They tried to throw it too much when their run game was looking great as well. Callahan is an offensive coach that put up 6 poing against the worst D in the league at home lol. It's not comparison really. Ask any Titans fan who the better coach is.

To the first point, I'd put a lot more weight into D. Henry's ability than I do in Vrabel's ability to coach up mediocrity. It was pretty safe to say that if you could shut down their run game, they wouldn't get far in the postseason.

To the second bit, what? Are you saying kick a FG with 1:15 on the clock to make it 10-9 is smart coaching? And again, we let them run a 10-play drive and eat up 5 minutes of clock getting to the 9. The throw OB stopped the clock (bad throw, not a coaching thing) and they had 4th and 3. Chose to go for it all, and their guy was not blanketed, nor did our D make a fantastic play. It was an overthrow. None of that is us being super-smart. It's more a case of our failure just being less failsome. There was no outcoaching. Neither coach demonstrated any capability in that situation.

(12-14-2024, 08:49 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: Vrabel won mostly when he had Arthur Smith and Matt LaFleur as OC's and possibly the last HoF elite RB in a watered down AFC South division.

He gets some credit for finding those guys and recognizing that he should use a run and pound offensive system. But key points for Vrabel is that he is supposed to elevate the physicality, culture and defense. I was mainly pointing the Titans still have a good defense and still demonstrate physicality. It may be too early to evaluate their culture right now, so I'll give that Vrabel.

All I'm saying is that he is no where close to a slam dunk hire. And bringing him here would be highly contingent on who he targets for OC, how he plans on keeping the OC for sometime and the pipeline for when that OC leaves if the Jags do well. That is a very shaky foundation for a new coaching staff.

Spoiler: There is no slam dunk hire.

Kicking a FG to make it 10-9 with 1:15 on the clock is absolutely a smart play going against the Jags with Mac Jones at QB is almost guaranteed a win. Callahan failed his team on that one and the reason they lost. It was good to see Doug outcoach 1 guy this year.