(01-14-2025, 11:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(01-13-2025, 08:30 PM)cland Wrote: Interesting... So you didn't research his progression habits until a month into Trevor's 4th year? Yet at the beginning of the year you demonstratively said that it was only the case 10% of the time.

Where as I, who called out the issue in March of 2022 and have repeatedly expressed that sentiment in the TLaw thread, didn't post my findings on the legendary analytical site...twitter, thereby debunking all of my (accurate) predictions.

And I said "we won't know," not "we won't feel like we know."  Just like you clearly felt like it was only 10% of the time.

No

I've analyzed each season as they happen and did the deep dive on play design this year.

Jesus, you love to try to spin my words - and you do it poorly

10% percent was clearly an estimation made for argument's sake and that was spoon fed to you with the word MAYBE directly preceding it. I didn't catalog the exact rate at which he exhibited bad habits. I have two jobs and a life. 

Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation. 
Which is what you are bragging about doing with your weak [BLEEP] attempt at a victory lap here. 

So, I didn't really give a damn about your poorly formed opinion then, and I don't now. 

What I do trust is my eyeballs. I've watched more tape on the guy than you have. I've probably digested a metric ton more football than you have, and I trust my take here. Kudos for identifying something that he needs to work on I guess.  You and about 400,000 other fans and analysts. But offering that up after 2021 just shows your lack of grasp on the reality of his development. 

Trevor had/has some bad habits, they were not all consuming as he clearly demonstrated the ability to process plays and execute well without displaying the bad habits as well. Instead of developing that positive ability - the Pederson regime decided to mitigate mistakes in their playbook alterations and it bit them in the backside. 

If you need me to say 10% wasn't an accurate number so you can feel good, then I undershot the figure. Hope that helps.

Hey, I finally got the desperate, 'You're a troll,' out of you.  Allow me to retort.

NYC4jags Wrote:Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation.

Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.

NYC4Jags Wrote:So, I didn't really give a damn about your poorly formed opinion then, and I don't now.

Despite the fact that I was correct, and now you AGREE with me.

NYC4Jags Wrote:[From Jan 2024]

Give the kid another 1/4 second to process reads behind a line he can actually trust so he doesn't speed up the internal clock - and this conversation goes away completely.

From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

NYC4Jags Wrote:What I do trust is my eyeballs. I've watched more tape on the guy than you have. I've probably digested a metric ton more football than you have, and I trust my take here.

But your eyeballs and metric ton of football "undershot the figure" for 3 years until, as you said, you did a deep dive in Trevor's 4th year.  And as it turns out, "your take" is nearly the exact same as my take was in 2022. (And I have consistently expressed "that take" since then, and guess what?  It is still an issue, as you said "Trevor had/has some bad habits".)

cland Wrote:[From March 2022:]

Hopefully Pederson can iron that out, and I think he has to [*in order to] be a success with the Jaguars.  My concern with Pederson is that he has to turn Lawrence into a Nick Foles type of QB.  A guy that can run his offense, but becomes very readable after a season or a few games for the NFL defenses.

How is this not precisely what happened, and is what you JUST described in your original post.

NYC4Jags Wrote:Pederson identified that Lawrence had a bad habit of staring down one guy sometimes, and maybe only making two reads at other times, or making multiple reads to only one side of the field. He didn't do this all the time, but he did it too often IMO.

They collectively rearranged the playbook to try and give Lawrence more reads to one side, inserted more one read plays, and essentially took away a ton of options from the kid trying to suit his bad habit instead of DEVELOPING his ability to go through his progression in 2.3 seconds.
It was a major mistake.

The only place we disagree is that you feel like it was all on Pederson, where I still think the fault is an unknown until we see the next offensive coach try and teach Trevor Lawrence.

Now I understand that you're a person who needs to have the last word, and somehow you decide to 'put me in my place,' call me a troll, and accuse me of 'blathering' (despite the accuracy of my post), after you--for the most part--agree with me, so have at it.  Call me a douche-nozzle, as you're apt to do, insinuate that you're "mountain of knowledge" should never be questioned, and see if I've made a grammatical error to get you started on your Holier-Than-Thou response.

Cheers.

*Edited OP for clarity

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