(01-14-2025, 09:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(01-14-2025, 01:44 PM)cland Wrote: Hey, I finally got the desperate, 'You're a troll,' out of you.  Allow me to retort.
If the shoe fits -  no one makes you come here and step all over your genitals jumping at the chance to disparage the QB - you do that on your own - my responses should be expected - sack up 


Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.
You weren't - you were grossly premature with your take at that point and apparently still ignorant of how stupid it was to draw conclusions from the 2021 season



Despite the fact that I was correct, and now you AGREE with me.
More spin cycle horse [BLEEP] - nice try - but weak


From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

Bad stat. 
Lawrence's "time to throw"  was 2.4 seconds per pass drop in 2024
- 2023 was 2.2  - so he got .2 seconds more. 
It might have helped if it weren't for all the other points being made that are flying over your thick head. 
Go ahead and look up the number of PA downfield attempts in 24 vs 23 and let me know if you can wrap your head around how that affected the difference in release time 



But your eyeballs and metric ton of football "undershot the figure" for 3 years until, as you said, you did a deep dive in Trevor's 4th year.  And as it turns out, "your take" is nearly the exact same as my take was in 2022. (And I have consistently expressed "that take" since then, and guess what?  It is still an issue, as you said "Trevor had/has some bad habits".)

You're ignoring the point again. 
If the scheme is altered to mitigate mistakes instead of rid bad habits  - and ends up forcing the player into more difficult downfield throws "the figure" is no longer the bar. There's no comparing the seasons from that perspective. 

I undershot the figure in a single post and later did some homework on it. My take isn't the same as yours. 
You blathered on about some overarching inability to read the field and being obvious to opposing defenses. 
I said he has some bad habits of not reading every route at times while going through his progression aptly at other times. Stop trying to equate those things. You look desperate. 



How is this not precisely what happened, and is what you JUST described in your original post.
You posted an incomplete thought and asked me to tell you if it's exactly what happened? 
WTH?? 
What happened is that Pederson took away a ton of reads from the QB that couldspread the ball horizontally and called exponentially more PA downfield shots with one deep target, one intermediate target and a meaningless check down ruled irrelevant by the time required to read the downfield option. 
I can't believe I'm explaining this to someone that has such an in-depth understanding of Lawrence and Pederson's offense. 


The only place we disagree is that you feel like it was all on Pederson, where I still think the fault is an unknown until we see the next offensive coach try and teach Trevor Lawrence.

I never said it was all on Pederson. Not once. never even remotely implied it - in fact - calling out some bad habits of the QB are what initiated your weak attempt at a 'gotcha' moment

Now I understand that you're a person who needs to have the last word, and somehow you decide to 'put me in my place,' call me a troll, and accuse me of 'blathering' (despite the accuracy of my post), after you--for the most part--agree with me, so have at it.  Call me a douche-nozzle, as you're apt to do, insinuate that you're "mountain of knowledge" should never be questioned, and see if I've made a grammatical error to get you started on your Holier-Than-Thou response.

Cheers.

*Edited OP for clarity

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