(01-15-2025, 05:34 PM)cland Wrote: And we're back at it.

NYC4jags Wrote:    Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation.

Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.

You weren't - you were grossly premature with your take at that point and apparently still ignorant of how stupid it was to draw conclusions from the 2021 season

So me analyzing what a 2nd year QB needs to work on is "grossly premature", despite the fact that the Jaguars HC decided that it WAS in fact a problem in the upcoming season, to the point where he modified/simplified/limited his own offensive scheme for the following season?

NYC4Jags Wrote:[From Jan 2024]
    Give the kid another 1/4 second to process reads behind a line he can actually trust so he doesn't speed up the internal clock - and this conversation goes away completely.

From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

Bad stat.
Lawrence's "time to throw"  was 2.4 seconds per pass drop in 2024
- 2023 was 2.2  - so he got .2 seconds more.

Okay, you wanted an increase of .25 seconds, and you only got .2 seconds.  Did the missing 5 hundredths of a second prevent him from fixing the issue, or stop the conversation from going away? 

It might have helped if it weren't for all the other points being made that are flying over your thick head.
Go ahead and look up the number of PA downfield attempts in 24 vs 23 and let me know if you can wrap your head around how that affected the difference in release time

According to you, the scheme was altered between 2022 and 2023.  So how does that affect 2023 to 2024, unless your implying that their was another scheme change that you haven't brought up.  He had .2 extra seconds but his production regressed in 2024.

You blathered on about some overarching inability to read the field and being obvious to opposing defenses.
I said he has some bad habits of not reading every route at times while going through his progression aptly at other times. Stop trying to equate those things.

You said:

NYC4Jags Wrote:because Pederson identified that Lawrence had a bad habit of staring down one guy sometimes, and maybe only making two reads at other times, or making multiple reads to only one side of the field.

Did you read the post I originally quoted???

cland Wrote:The above post was made in terms of Trevor's inability to read the field if his first option is covered, and I think the bolded point can be applied to the playcalling debate.  If a play-call has the first option open, then Trevor certainly has all the talents to deliver the ball.  But if the defense covers the first option and you have a QB that can't progress through the remaining options quickly then your offense will be much more readable."

If these posts were any closer you'd be accused of plagiarism!  Do you want me to say 'not every single time' in there somewhere?  You say 30% and I say %40?

AND both Khan and Trevor have said that the offense is predictable.  For me, predictable and readable are synonyms, and as you said 'obvious to opposing defenses.'

I never said it was all on Pederson.  Not once. never even remotely implied it.

cland Wrote:    I think we'll see with the next coach whether Pederson's simplifying the offense to partial reads was a failure to teach Trevor, or was an innate short-coming with the QB's skillset. & Like I said, we won't know until we see Trevor under another offensive coaching staff.

NYC4Jags Wrote:You mean you won't know. I feel I know right now. I'm confident in my opinion because I've analyzed the tape more than you have.

^Err, okay.  How can you feel you know...if you hadn't decided it was all on Pederson?  To me that reads as you remotely implying it.  (Unless you're implying that it really is on Trevor's skill-set, but I doubt that.)


I can't believe I'm explaining this to someone that has such an in-depth understanding of Lawrence and Pederson's offense.

I hear you, imagine the frustration of explaining to someone what they have already said, when they keep shifting their points.