(02-18-2025, 09:49 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(02-18-2025, 07:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: So if the Weimar government determined to not respect free speech, and to put Hitler and everyone else involved in the Beer Hall Putsch in jail or worse, Hitler still comes to power? In the scenario where Germany doesn't have free speech, Hitler probably doesn't make it out of 1923 alive, let alone with anyone knowing his name.

Why give anyone any freedoms? There's always a risk.

I am not arguing against free speech.

Even if the Weimar government executed all the Nazis in 1923, France and Germany probably still go to war by the 1940s and there might have been a genocide or two to go along with it.

Even so, the lady was not wrong to attribute the rise of Nazis in particular to free speech.

Every good thing on this planet has a downside.

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(02-18-2025, 09:52 PM)Jag149 Wrote:

(02-18-2025, 09:41 PM)mikesez Wrote: The color brown exists everywhere. 
Free speech does not exist everywhere.

The ability to speak freely exists everywhere, some places they punish and persecute you.  Kind of like what the Nazi's did when they came to power or the Dems were doing the last 4 years.

Lol, no. The Dems did not punish speech in the United States during Biden's time in office. They punished riot and insurrection.

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