Quote:Girls getting drunk and making out in clubs in most cases are not gay. 

 

I said that in previous posts in this thread. 


 

That power of suggestion you mention is in many cases coming from guys who either egg it on or whose attention these girls want to get.  Two girls making out is not two girls having sex. 

 

The power of suggestion is also coming from the constant rhetoric from everything from news/ pop culture/ and even education indoctrination that its  practically encouraging homosexual behavior. LOL, and if you don't believe that the 2 girls making out, aren't going home and finishing the deed (or finishing it right there at the club), then you're pretty naive. 


 

There is a horrible double standard applied to gay women vs. gay men and two women making out in a bar has become socially accepted. There is a hypocritical subset of people who are anti-gay, but get incredibly turned on by two women getting together (spoiler alert - 90% of the woman on woman stuff in adult films isn't done by actual lesbians.  They are really only doing it for the money. 

 

Theres truth in this. I'm guilty of it. I think if you are a male and you are attracted to women, then its a pretty safe bet that if you saw 2 attractive females getting it on, you are going to be turned on. I don't think that thats being hypocritical (but maybe it is) I happen to think that its merely biology working overdrive, lol. You're seeing double (or in some cases more) of the gender that you prefer. 


 

 

And while I agree that most women that are in adult films aren't "true" lesbians, they are rather "bisexual"....I see it as an issue for children under 18 to be able to see/ access this stuff (as its so readily/ easily available online) They are impressionable and tend to mimic what they see in many aspects of life. An adult like you or I has the emotional and chronological intelligence to understand/ differentiate. 


 

 

I have heard of zero cases of a straight person identifying as gay just because they want to fit in.  Despite social advances, you may want to ask yourself how that would enhance someone's identity as "fitting in." 

 

Huh?? I heard/ read about many cases of it in the high school setting. You yourself were JUST saying that the environment is much more accepting than it used to be, and also there are groups of the "outcasts" of various people in school that tend to bond together.  In situations where its not "fitting in" with whatever "in crowd" there may be - its still "fitting in" with the sect of people they identify with, which before they may have been alone. 


 

To answer your question of what being born that way means, ask yourself when you realized you were straight?  The truth is young kids should not have much of a sense of sexual identity in the early years of their life.  Maybe some self examination to establish things that feel good.  Some people get crushes in grade school, but that's about it until their bodies become a little more developed.  The truth is many gay people do not realize right away that they are gay and when they do, coming out is something that is not easy for most as there is an element of anxiety about their self-realization.   26% of kids who come out to their parents are kicked out of their homes.  That means 1 in 4 parents who swear to love and provide for their kids only do so if their kid is straight.  That is why a large percentage of young homeless people are gay.  Back to your point, sometimes people experiment.  I did.  It lasted about a nanosecond before I said, "I have no interest in this."  For some people it might take longer.  If it isn't your life, what difference does it make?