Quote:It is relevant. Saying they have nothing in common is false.

 

So, now after your explanation of the main difference (one has been living as a girl for 4 years, Cartman simply put a bow on), let's discuss this further.

 

1. How long should one be required to identify as a gender before they can use the other gender's facilities? Is it fair to punish someone who has felt like they were a girl for years but just came out from hiding it because they haven't "identified" long enough? Where is the line drawn?

 

2. Does the person have to resemble the other gender in appearance? In other words, if a boy claims to identify as a female for 4 years but dresses and acts like a boy, does he get transgender privilege? Is a bow enough? Is a wig needed? Where is the line drawn?

 

 

I was just going to quote your first post in this thread for being spot on, but it appears you're wavering on that a bit. I'm now interested in how you answer the questions above.

They have nothing in common. It's not false. You're using Eric Cartman as a key piece of your argument. Is how completely ridiculous that makes your argument look lost on you? It would be like me arguing that Mr. Hankey is a citeable refutation to Santa Claus, among other holiday season-y things.

 

1. Once sexual reassignment surgery has been performed, that person should be able to use the facilities of the opposite sex without question. Until then, they should use a neutral, genderless facility.

 

2. Have you ever known a transgender individual? I sincerely doubt that you've even met one if you're asking a question like that. The overwhelming majority of transgendered people do go out of their way to look and act like their gender. Those that don't look like a member of their correct gender are generally younger and facing massive pressure from family, friends, their support structure, etc., to repress who they are and conform with societal norms. Not coincidentally, that's typically where most of the suicides, runaways and suicide attempts come from.

 

This whole debate has taught me quite a bit about transgender individuals, more than I already knew just from life experience. I still do not think, nor will I ever think, that someone with male hardware belongs in a female locker room (or vice versa), but I can understand a bit more where this girl was coming from (she dropped the gym class, btw). I think she was being unreasonable in refusing the third location, but I can see why she would not have thought that she was.

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