Quote:They have nothing in common. It's not false. You're using Eric Cartman as a key piece of your argument. Is how completely ridiculous that makes your argument look lost on you? It would be like me arguing that Mr. Hankey is a citeable refutation to Santa Claus, among other holiday season-y things.

 

1. Once sexual reassignment surgery has been performed, that person should be able to use the facilities of the opposite sex without question. Until then, they should use a neutral, genderless facility.

 

2. Have you ever known a transgender individual? I sincerely doubt that you've even met one if you're asking a question like that. The overwhelming majority of transgendered people do go out of their way to look and act like their gender. Those that don't look like a member of their correct gender are generally younger and facing massive pressure from family, friends, their support structure, etc., to repress who they are and conform with societal norms. Not coincidentally, that's typically where most of the suicides, runaways and suicide attempts come from.

 

This whole debate has taught me quite a bit about transgender individuals, more than I already knew just from life experience. I still do not think, nor will I ever think, that someone with male hardware belongs in a female locker room (or vice versa), but I can understand a bit more where this girl was coming from (she dropped the gym class, btw). I think she was being unreasonable in refusing the third location, but I can see why she would not have thought that she was.

 

Come on.... I'm not using Eric Cartman as a key piece of my argument. I used it as a reference that shows just how silly it is to allow people to use opposite gender facilities by simply saying they identify as that gender.

 

1. We are in agreement here.

 

2. I think the issues that arise with question #2 are solved by your solution in answer #1. The issues with #2 come when people believe that "identification" and not hardware determines use of facilities. There are a lot of grey areas and potential slippery slopes down that route, though it appears no one here is a proponent of that.

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