Quote:As usual the simplest answer seems to be the right one.  Simply put, as with so many of your ilk, for all your bluster and all your name calling you have just failed and fundamentally grasping the basic elements of the American legal system.  ***It's great to say that, but you still have not explained why we even needed the Civil Rights Act of 1968 in order for black people to get the same public accommodation and fair treatment as white people in this country.  Should I assume this is anther question you intend to repeatedly dodge?***

 

The rights that we have are RECOGNIZED and PROTECTED by the states.  They are ENDOWED by our creator and thus cannot be taken away (inalienable).  If you don't understand that basic underpinning of the constitution and the American legal system then its no wonder you are having trouble understanding an argument of basic federalism.  

 

This is also why there was a debate about whether or not to even need a bill of rights because as stated above the framers understood that the rights themselves predated and super-ceded even the constitution.  

 

In the case of Abraham Lincoln he most definitely wanted the freed slaves integrated into society with all the rights and privileges conveyed to  citizens of this country.  You say otherwise is inherently dishonest and yes, it [BLEEP] civil rights in this country by about a century.  It's one of the great tragedies of our country.  ***It is obvious you cannot read.  This what I wrote:  

 

I recommend you watch the documentary series "Many Rivers to Cross" by Dr. Henry Louis Gates Jr. so you can realize how silly you sound by continuing to fight this battle.  It took over 100 years for black people in this country to realize the promise of the 14th Amendment, but you think had Lincoln not been assassinated, everything would have been completely different. Yes, Lincoln wanted to do more for black people than he got the chance to finish, but emotions and public opinion on this subject, especially in the South wasn't going to change that quickly.  Mississippi didn't even outlaw slavery until 1995.



 

I admitted Lincoln wanted to do more and did NOT say otherwise.  I referred to an award winning documentary series (which I still recommend you watch because it's really great) and pointed to the fact that just because Lincoln wanted to do a bunch of great things for black people, there were plenty of places in America not willing to update that definition of equality.***

 

And now you have been railing about this cities need to change the law and now you tell me that this isn't even the jurisdiction that the alleged incident happened in?  1.) If the people in question belonged to an HOA the system becomes infinitely more complex because entities such as that have the ability to operate extra-constitutionally because the terms of the HOA are deemed to have essentially been collectively bargained (state by state things are very different).  2.) until you show me court documents that demonstrate the only holding reason for the families eviction was the status of the child then i am not taking what you say at face value on such a detailed topic.  ***This just proves to me that you don't even read what I write at all before throwing some argumentative counterpoint. I have stated multiple times (including the first post on the subject) that my friend and her situation were in one of the most/if not the most liberal states you could think of.  You continue to call me a liar, because you think my story is so fantastic it must not be true.  YOU DO NOT NEED COURT DOCUMENTS TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO PROTECTIONS AGAINST THIS in some parts of the country.  I drew comparisons to Jacksonville, because I also know members of the LGBT community who are currently at risk of suffering the same type of discrimination (surely you remember the question by now). And if you think I am lying about any of this, I will give you the same offer I gave another person in this thread.  I will meet you face to face and share details of their whole story (with pictures), and we will see who is lying.  It's amazing that your desire to not believe this keeps going back to things like..  well..  they must not have paid their rent..  instead of..  Wow..  they were discriminated against.***

 

Moreover, just because i disagree with you (demonstorably ignorant) legal opinion doesn't mean i (as a black man) condone discrimination. I disagree with show votes and meaningless legislation meant only to placate to certain emerging demographics that have no bearing on everyday life.  ***Certain emerging demographics..   interesting choice of words.  Again..  gay people have existed since at least the dawn of recorded history.  They have been kept down, discriminated against, ridiculed, misundertsood, etc. for hundreds of years. The public perception of homosexuality has taken a significantly more accepting and understanding tone in recent years as is evident by the ruling for same sex marriage across all 50 states.  It is offensive that you classify (indirectly) these people as having no bearing on everyday life.  Alexander the Great conquered the known world and was gay.  Alan Turing was the guy who laid the foundation for modern computing. Also gay.  I could go on, but the point is made, no?  How about the fact these people who are not famous have lives and contribute to the lives of others as family members, friends, employees, etc.  That has no bearing either, I suppose.***  I abhore discrimination and I acknowledge that it has no place in our democracy or our free society.  Its a frankly trite tool of the left to say that if you don't agree with repressive legislation on fuel and carbon emissions that you want the planet to die, if you don't agree to this tax increase that will kill jobs you hate the poor, if you don't agree to double payroll taxes you hate old people, or that if you don't agree to write a new law for every aggrieved person in this country that you are reserving the right to discriminate.  ***If you abhor discrimination so much, then why could you not simply say I do not think it is okay for a person to get fired from their job, evicted from their home or kicked out of a restaurant just for being gay or transgender?  Why can you still not say it now?***

 

You've name called, mischarecterized and resorted to frankly abhorrent language for a forum that welcomes those of all ages.  In all that time you have not demonstrated that you have a fundamental grasp of the American legal system, its underpinnings, or how that affects our society. ***Yeah..  I'm the first guy with a comment that had a bad word removed.  Still waiting for an answer on why the Civil Rights Act of 1968 was necessary if the laws of the Constitution already granted such equality in 1866.***

 

The one point that you did make (by accident) is that laws are only as good as the men and women that we as a democracy entrust with their execution.  That's how immigration laws can be ignored in some cities, marijuana laws ignored in some states, and civil rights codified in the slave amendments was held back for over a century.  It is our job as citizens to be the final arbiters of our nations destiny by holding politicians accountable for upholding the ideals that we have codified into law.  If you show me a politician that has openly broken that trust and advocates discrimination against anyone based simply on a lifestyle choice i will join you in condemning them.  ***Duval County Clerk Ronnie Fussell did roughly a year ago.  Condemn away.***  Until then, ill leave you to consider the poor blind woman that you have yet to attend to!  ***You still have to attend to an interpretation of the Constitution which says the Civil Rights Act of 1968 was not necessary first.***