Quote:Agree, though I could handle Finn using the saber since it was clear that stormies get training with melee weapons. The girl, though, was either a case of plot hole (the same with the Leia hug...they didn't know each other) or Ren is just a weak Sith. Strength in the Force doesn't mean you start at a Master level like that. I know they are constrained by the limited number of hours for the movies, but everything just moves too fast. It feels rushed.

Ren isn't a trained sith yet he was in the midst of jedi training when snook seduced him to the dark side, snook says at the end bring me Ren I must complete his training.


I think Rey is supposed to be a rare force sensitive probably even more so than Luke which is why at the start of the figbt she's kind of just swinging the thing around, them Ren makes the force comment and she goes semi-jedish in skill but keep in mind at that point Ren had been shot by Chewy, sliced a couple times by Fin and was losing blood like crazy. If not for the earth breaking up he wasn't going to make it through the 2nd battle with Rey.


also notice everyone else Den confronted he could use the dark side but not against Rey which leveled the playing field. He couldn't read her, he couldn't manipulate her, heck she even out forced him for the saber in the first place!

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