Quote:The issue isn't him fighting, it's the ACTIONS they took. No one is supporting or suggesting the system of apartheid was acceptable. Of course it was evil and needed to be fought against. I have an issue with Mendela's communist ties, I have an issue with the acts his organization that he founded took, I have an issue with targeting civilians, I have an issue with his refusal to denounce the acts of the ANC while he was in prison.

 

As for your Churchill and FDR point what If I Told I'm not a fan of what they did either. that's a deflection on your part, people keep justifying Mendela's actions by point the actions of others. Evil is evil I don't care who did it for what reason.

 

D6 is pointing out that SOME people are taking the path of least resistance, doing the easy thing and just commenting on the good Mendela did, and he did do some good. Others are standing there ground, heck just look at the blow back me and D6 have gotten from you guys on this board, Imagine the blow back a politician would get.

 

I stand by my thoughts, Mendela isn't someone I would praise, not someone I will mourn and frankly I'm glad the worlds with out one less communist. I've said my peace don't think I'll bother to respond again.

 

It is really pointless discussing this with you, not because I can't change your mind, but instead because you are so misinformed and refuse to acknowledge facts.

 

Mandela did not found the ANC, nor was he its leader. Maybe you are referring to Umkhonto we Sizwe, the military arm of the ANC, which Mandela co-found in response to a South African police action against civilian demonstrators.

 

He was not convicted, nor did he plead guilty to, 156 acts of terrorism against civilians. That is a lie posted all over the internet, and also copied and pasted here by you.

 

He plead not guilty to four charges against him, which included acts of sabotage against military and logistical targets, specifically to avoid civilian casualties. About 20 years later the ANC increasingly targeted civilians, yet with no supporting evidence you posted previously that Mandela was responsible for these attacks. Now you criticize him for not denouncing them, an act that would play right into the hands of the regime to which he opposed.

 

Finally, after a life of repression and imprisonment, he forgave his oppressors, then included them in the democratic government he helped establish then lead. All without a bloodbath.

 

If you overlook that remarkable achievement because he refuses to turn his back on the few world leaders who supported his just cause when times were bad then, yeah, we aren't thinking on the same plane and probably have nothing to discuss.

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