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MalabarJag · 10-18-2017, 09:32 AM

(10-17-2017, 09:56 PM)raptor6581 Wrote:
(10-17-2017, 09:41 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: 1. Free speech is not a right in the workplace. Government is constitutionally prohibited from arresting people for their speech, but that doesn't mean that employers are required to allow their employees to say whatever they want.

2. Using a symbol of the US to protest an unrelated complaint is insulting to those who see the US as the best country in the world. That's especially true if the complaint is based on a lie, as it is in this case.

3. Politicizing a sports event that people attend partly to leave their real world worries behind for three hours is despicable.

4. The person who started this stands for calling the police pigs and claims that Cuba is better than the US because "it has a higher literacy rate." Those who continue his actions are supporting those beliefs.
1) Rights DONT extend to the workplace, but in this case their workplace has said they were ok with it. If your employer chooses to allow you to exercise your rights on their time, Id be ok with you protesting anything as long as its done lawfully. This is actually one of the big problems those who disagree with the.protests have. They want to claim that protesting doesnt belong in the aorkplace. And it doesn't, as long as the qorkplace tells you to leave the protests out of work. But, thats not what has happened here, and honestly, the protests have had zero effect on the product/game itself.

2) This IS the best country in the world. A huge part of what makes it so great supposed to be the ability to speak your mind. So long as its done lawfully (as in the kneeling) its as respectful to what this country is as it can be.

3) Politicizing a sporting event started a LONG time ago. Just having the anthem played at the game is a political move.....

4)The protests have little to do with the original message at this point. Trump all but ensured that these protests would be blown out of proportion and taking 100% out of context the moment he opened his mouth. Though there were players taking a knee, it remained a small issue until trump spoke up. It remained just a small hand full of players u til trump threw it off the original message. Heck, even after trump said what he did, only around 200 or the 1000+ took a knee..... Others immediately started showing unity and support for others and their issues in other ways (locking arms, entire team staying in locker rooms, team kneeling BEFORE anthem but standing during....).

And lastly, you didn't answer my question. What is insulting about properly utilizing your rights?

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1. True, the business allowed it, but you were talking about "rights." This was never about whether or not the government would prohibit it, so "rights" don't come into the picture. If you want to rephrase the question ...

2. Kneeling during the US anthem and standing during the British anthem implies that the team feels otherwise.

3. How is playing the anthem political? Is there a political party that opposes the anthem?

4. I agree. I also suspect that Kaep originally just sat because he was pissed at the team for not starting and then claimed a just cause when he was called out for it. But it's offensive no matter what the cause. Wouldn't you agree that waving the Nazi flag at an event would be offensive no matter what the cause? You can argue that one is insulting and another isn't, but about half the population finds both to be offensive, and insulting to the country they love.

To answer you question again, it's not about properly using your rights. It's about the method of protesting.

"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Poll: I would rather have... This poll is closed.
A team with players who kneel	73.91%	17	73.91%
No team at all if the players kneel	26.09%	6	26.09%
Total		23 vote(s)	100%