(10-18-2017, 09:32 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(10-17-2017, 09:56 PM)raptor6581 Wrote: 1) Rights DONT extend to the workplace, but in this case their workplace has said they were ok with it. If your employer chooses to allow you to exercise your rights on their time, Id be ok with you protesting anything as long as its done lawfully. This is actually one of the big problems those who disagree with the.protests have. They want to claim that protesting doesnt belong in the aorkplace. And it doesn't, as long as the qorkplace tells you to leave the protests out of work. But, thats not what has happened here, and honestly, the protests have had zero effect on the product/game itself.

2) This IS the best country in the world. A huge part of what makes it so great supposed to be the ability to speak your mind. So long as its done lawfully (as in the kneeling) its as respectful to what this country is as it can be.

3) Politicizing a sporting event started a LONG time ago. Just having the anthem played at the game is a political move.....

4)The protests have little to do with the original message at this point. Trump all but ensured that these protests would be blown out of proportion and taking 100% out of context the moment he opened his mouth. Though there were players taking a knee, it remained a small issue until trump spoke up. It remained just a small hand full of players u til trump threw it off the original message. Heck, even after trump said what he did, only around 200 or the 1000+ took a knee..... Others immediately started showing unity and support for others and their issues in other ways (locking arms, entire team staying in locker rooms, team kneeling BEFORE anthem but standing during....).



And lastly, you didn't answer my question. What is insulting about properly utilizing your rights?

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1. True, the business allowed it, but you were talking about "rights." This was never about whether or not the government would prohibit it, so "rights" don't come into the picture. If you want to rephrase the question ...

2. Kneeling during the US anthem and standing during the British anthem implies that the team feels otherwise.

3. How is playing the anthem political? Is there a political party that opposes the anthem?

4. I agree. I also suspect that Kaep originally just sat because he was pissed at the team for not starting and then claimed a just cause when he was called out for it. But it's offensive no matter what the cause. Wouldn't you agree that waving the Nazi flag at an event would be offensive no matter what the cause? You can argue that one is insulting and another isn't, but about half the population finds both to be offensive, and insulting to the country they love.

To answer you question again, it's not about properly using your rights. It's about the method of protesting.

1) it IS about rights. They are utilizing their right to protest, within the confines of the law and the confines of what their employer deems acceptable. No need to rephrase, as all pertinent parties to the action are in agreement on the protest.

2)Kneeling during our national anthem shows the players taking issue with a perceived (true or not) problem within our nation. They arent protesting to the British, to the British government, or anything about the UK's problem. Their actions during the UK' s anthem are honestly irrelevant to anything here, as the song does not apply to the US in any way.

3)Yes, the anthem is being used politically when it comes to sports. The NFL was paid to start playing it, in an effort to increase military support and service. Thats a political move....

4) you have again claimed the action is offensive, but have not explained why. What is offensive about taking a knee? Its what you do to show respect when asking a woman to marry you, praying, for an injured player, and in several other ways. So, why is it suddenly offensive when kneeling during the anthem?

And lastly, that doesnt answer the question. It doesn't answer it because you have yet to answer how protesting during the anthem is offensive, just that you find it offenaive. This should be easy.... If you find something offensive, you should be able to clearly articulate what you find offensive about it, and why.

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