(12-11-2017, 01:40 PM)JagFox1 Wrote:

(12-11-2017, 01:34 PM)Kane Wrote: Are you saying Elite QBs don't make up for deficiencies in their team?

Like when Brady and Manning had "scrubs" at WR or RB?
Or when the OL play of Rodgers has been sub par almost his entire career in Green Bay?

Just wondering if these guys that are consistently winners and in the playoffs always have elite defenses and run games working well and OLs pass protecting well and WRs never dropping balls

Hey, let's cut him and bring in 37 year old Eli Manning.  Will make a lot of folks on this board happy.

Nah, I never said that. I'm all about upgrading. Not anything that would be a lateral movement or temporary upgrade.

(12-11-2017, 02:24 PM)Rico Wrote:

(12-11-2017, 01:34 PM)Kane Wrote: Are you saying Elite QBs don't make up for deficiencies in their team?

Like when Brady and Manning had "scrubs" at WR or RB?
Or when the OL play of Rodgers has been sub par almost his entire career in Green Bay?

Just wondering if these guys that are consistently winners and in the playoffs always have elite defenses and run games working well and OLs pass protecting well and WRs never dropping balls

So we're going to compare him to three of the best QBs in the game?  Really?

I'd compare him to ANY "franchise" QB. If that's what he is. Can he elevate the play of others around him. Can he make up for deficiencies in the team?
Franchise guys bring your TEAM to another level.
Brees does it.
Brady does it.
ARod, Manning....
Bortles is a starting QB in the league no doubt. But we should now raise the bar. We should WANT greatness.

(12-11-2017, 02:28 PM)JackCity Wrote:

(12-11-2017, 01:34 PM)Kane Wrote: Or when the OL play of Rodgers has been sub par almost his entire career in Green Bay?

Ehh Green Bay has had really good olines until this year when everyone's left and injured.

Ehhh no, their OL is always banged up and injured. My boss is a die hard GB fan... I hear about it all the time. Arod makes him money being a mobile QB that can throw on the run, he's made a career of it and it isn't on designed runs. Also GB (outside of like 1 or 2 seasons) has had pretty terrible defenses too.



---Look guys, I know everyone is super-excite now about Blake Bortles suddenly becoming this elite franchise QB now.... it's great that he has played well these past few weeks. I'm personally loving it. I really do not care whether someone liked Bortles, then didn't, or never did, or always did. Great, kudos to you, either which way. I'm glad our team is winning.

But I'm not gonna suddenly pretend like 40+ games of Bortles career didn't happen. I'm not gonna pretend like just 4 weeks ago the dude was still throwing balls that had me throwing up in my mouth.
If he continues this "uptick" in ability we're all seeing, he just may propel himself into a top ten QB in this league. And that's great for the Jaguars and the fan base.
Luckily for all of us, the front office won't be so knee jerky in their reactions to how this unfolds.
They'll assess and make the best decision.

Personally though, I hope they hedge their bets.

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(12-11-2017, 03:29 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: Honestly tho, that was a big time game by him yesterday. We have never seen him in the situation before. Playoff like atmosphere, vaunted defense and mvp qb, home game and stadium packed, tension is high and he delivered. I mean cool as a cucumber. Never rattled and just made play after play. My goodness.

He is slowly making me consider not drafting a qb until round 3-4 as opposed to round 1-2

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(12-11-2017, 03:29 PM)Kane Wrote: I'll buy that theory. I've been one of Blake's biggest supporters and also one of his biggest critics. He has never been so bad that we should have been drafting QBs this year, he always showed that bit of spark that you would hope develop.

Earlier this year... it seemed not much had changed though. His accuracy was still off (not including WR drops). Some of his throws were just plain awful. And for much of the early part of the season the defense had to drag Blake to the finish.

I think Bortles has shown enough to be a quality starter in this league. But has he earned some Joe Flacco contract? Absolutely not. He should play out his option and if improvement continues you pay him. But I still think this team needs to draft a young QB as insurance.

The best QBs can win games when seemingly everything else is going wrong. Bortles has yet to show that part of being a franchise QB. When the pressure is on, he tends to crack. I jumped off the Bortles bandwagon around the Jets game. I just couldn't argue in his favor anymore. I'm glad he's playing better now. But what happens when or if we're down 2 scores with 8 minutes to go. Are we suddenly confident in Bortles ability to bring us back from that?

I'll patiently wait until I see more before hopping back on the Bortles bandwagon.
I never thought he was the worst QB in the league or anything that some on here post. I remember saying I liked him much better than some other current starters.
But if you can upgrade the position (in the offseason), I still think you take that opportunity regardless of how Blake has played VS Indy and Seattle the last 2 games.

I’m a critic too but to be fair, many qbs can’t do that. Hell Russell couldn’t muster up any more than the4 and out. Very few guys are Brady and Rodgers. I have to remind myself of that. 

He is a Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan type if he keeps developing. A guy who can win with solid to great pieces around him. That’s what you want to find. Brady is just luck of the draw. Hopefully he keeps developing

Joe Flacco is exactly what I'm afraid of.
Just good enough.

But I suppose if it gets us A ring, I'll be pretty frickin happy for awhile lol

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