(06-18-2018, 12:00 PM)Kotite Wrote: This is a Trump policy and he is using it as leverage to try to get Dems to cave on other policies he wants to enact. All of this when the GOP has control of the WH, House and Senate. This is a morally bankrupt and inexcusable action. These are asylum seekers looking to come into the U.S. through proper channels. My grandfather and thousands like him came through Ellis Island to pursue the American dream. Both he and my father immigrated here and both volunteered to serve in thr military (WWII and Vietnam). They were two of the most patriotic men I have ever known. I cannot imagine either of them would recognize the country they fought for had they been alive. No parent who hugs their kids at night should be okay with this draconian policy.
So, when the media started to manufacture this latest attempt to take down Trump by using pictures of children being held in detention pens that was taken in 2014, that somehow was a Trump policy being enforced in anticipation of his eventual presidency? Is that the direction you're going here, Doc Brown?
The reality is that the 9th Circuit Court, the most liberal court in the country and no friend of the GOP, mandated this treatment. The law was signed by a democrat president, and an icon of the left. He was the pre-messiah before Barack Hussein Obama was anointed "the one" who continued to enforce the law just as the Trump administration has done. The only reason it's an issue today is because democrats have run out of options. The economy is improving. African-Americans are starting to wake up and realize what a bill of goods they've been sold by democrats, and the democrat voter base is in retreat. So, what better way to backfill than to just create tens of millions of new democrat voters? Open borders for everyone!
(06-18-2018, 12:18 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: (06-18-2018, 12:00 PM)Kotite Wrote: This is a Trump policy and he is using it as leverage to try to get Dems to cave on other policies he wants to enact. All of this when the GOP has control of the WH, House and Senate. This is a morally bankrupt and inexcusable action. These are asylum seekers looking to come into the U.S. through proper channels. My grandfather and thousands like him came through Ellis Island to pursue the American dream. Both he and my father immigrated here and both volunteered to serve in thr military (WWII and Vietnam). They were two of the most patriotic men I have ever known. I cannot imagine either of them would recognize the country they fought for had they been alive. No parent who hugs their kids at night should be okay with this draconian policy.
The problem with the left is they complain but seldom have any actual solutions. What is your number for illegal immigrants coming into the country? What are your thoughts on children separated from their parents when their parents commit a crime and go to prison?
Why didn't the democrats accepts Trumps deal months back to grant amnesty to 1.8 million illegals when they only asked for 800K.
Democrats couldn't give two craps about these children or their families and that is a fact.
Bingo. They only care about the issue and how it can be leveraged for electoral benefit.
(06-18-2018, 05:03 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: Am I the only one that doesn't think these centers are a bad thing? They have nice, clean beds. They get new clothes, hygiene supplies, bathrooms / showers, video games, large flat screen televisions, leather couches, Foosball tables, etc. etc. etc. Most of the kids are unaccompanied or were being used by people they don't know to increase the chances of getting in. If politicians cared about these kids, they would've fixed it under Obama.
Nope. You're not alone. In many instances, these people are getting a better deal in the detention centers than they did from their country of origin.
(06-18-2018, 07:16 PM)Kotite Wrote: "My dream is to leave my country and become an American citizen so that I can become a drug addict and burden the economy," said no immigrant ever.
How is this not terrorizing really young kids?
In typical liberal fashion, make sure you put the blame somewhere other than with the people truly responsible. The parents put their children in this situation knowing what the policies are in this country, and they accept that risk when they cross into this country illegally. Using the straw man "drug addict" crap is just more left wing weak sauce being spread by a master regurgitator of talking points.
(06-18-2018, 08:35 PM)Kotite Wrote: Morally, I'm just not okay with traumatizing seven year olds as a political tool.
Contrary to what they will have you believe, they are not animals.
It's always funny to see a liberal climbing up on his moral high horse. Morally, it's equally traumatizing to rip a child from the uterus of a pregnant mother, but I'm sure you're perfectly fine with that. None of these children are dying, but tens of millions have wound up in a trash bin over the past 5 decades, including a disproportionate number of minority children, but they don't matter since they can't vote, right?
(06-19-2018, 08:10 AM)Kotite Wrote: Dishonest? Kids 7 and younger separated from their parents for weeks at a time is happening. It is factual. And it is inhumane. That is a traumatizing event for the parent and it is a traumatizing event for the child. Remove your political lens for half a second and ask yourself... Aren't we better than this? Sorry.. Tormenting young kids is where I draw the line. You're okay with it? That's on your morally superior conscience.
Inhumane? Do you even know the definition of the term? It's inhumane to drag your children through the terrain they must cross to enter the US illegally. It's even more inhumane to send your children ahead without you hoping the traffickers don't take a fancy to the children and sell them off into some horrific world where they're nothing more than play things. You're okay with that apparently.
Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
