I make it a habit of scanning through most of the major news sources in the morning to stay up-to-date. Hey, I enjoy the punishment! In any case, most of the major items like Nk, Oil supply/Demand, Trade, etc. have now been overshadowed by the stunt pulled by some congressional forcing their way into illegal immigrant detention centers and screaming about family (child) separation. While I feel for the kids, in almost all cases the parents were well aware of immigration policy and ignored laws, thereby placing their family members in jeopardy alongside of them. In my eyes, this is not America's problem and should not be this ignorant platform that it is becoming. I hate to make this partisan but it appears to be a page from the Dem playbook when they no longer wish to have a meaningful discussion behind closed doors.

Is this unnecessary grandstanding? What say you?

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Clinton put the policy in place, Libs Cheered...........
Obama Enforced the Policy. Libs Cheered..........
Trump has to straighten out the mess and libs hate it now........
Nothing more hypocritical than a Liberal

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You know trouble is right around the corner when your best friend tells you to hold his beer!!

Democrats are quickly losing the African American vote, so its back to this. Their playbook needs to be refreshed.

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This is a Trump policy and he is using it as leverage to try to get Dems to cave on other policies he wants to enact. All of this when the GOP has control of the WH, House and Senate. This is a morally bankrupt and inexcusable action. These are asylum seekers looking to come into the U.S. through proper channels. My grandfather and thousands like him came through Ellis Island to pursue the American dream. Both he and my father immigrated here and both volunteered to serve in thr military (WWII and Vietnam). They were two of the most patriotic men I have ever known. I cannot imagine either of them would recognize the country they fought for had they been alive. No parent who hugs their kids at night should be okay with this draconian policy.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

This is a Trump policy and he is using it as leverage to try to get Dems to cave on other policies he wants to enact. All of this when the GOP has control of the WH, House and Senate. This is a morally bankrupt and inexcusable action. These are asylum seekers looking to come into the U.S. through proper channels. My grandfather and thousands like him came through Ellis Island to pursue the American dream. Both he and my father immigrated here and both volunteered to serve in thr military (WWII and Vietnam). They were two of the most patriotic men I have ever known. I cannot imagine either of them would recognize the country they fought for had they been alive. No parent who hugs their kids at night should be okay with this draconian policy.

The problem with the left is they complain but seldom have any actual solutions. What is your number for illegal immigrants coming into the country? What are your thoughts on children separated from their parents when their parents commit a crime and go to prison?

Why didn't the democrats accepts Trumps deal months back to grant amnesty to 1.8 million illegals when they only asked for 800K.

Democrats couldn't give two craps about these children or their families and that is a fact.

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This is a Trump policy and he is using it as leverage to try to get Dems to cave on other policies he wants to enact. All of this when the GOP has control of the WH, House and Senate. This is a morally bankrupt and inexcusable action. These are asylum seekers looking to come into the U.S. through proper channels. My grandfather and thousands like him came through Ellis Island to pursue the American dream. Both he and my father immigrated here and both volunteered to serve in thr military (WWII and Vietnam). They were two of the most patriotic men I have ever known. I cannot imagine either of them would recognize the country they fought for had they been alive. No parent who hugs their kids at night should be okay with this draconian policy.

The problem with the left is they complain but seldom have any actual solutions. What is your number for illegal immigrants coming into the country? What are your thoughts on children separated from their parents when their parents commit a crime and go to prison?

Why didn't the democrats accepts Trumps deal months back to grant amnesty to 1.8 million illegals when they only asked for 800K.

Democrats couldn't give two craps about these children or their families and that is a fact.

It's all about votes for them. Morality doesn't even factor in.

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Illegal immigrants take their chances. People are crying about displacement and separation yet never stop to think and realize that for a family to decide to risk it all in that environment and brave the heat and borders for a chance at a better life sometimes it doesn't hurt to go through a long, "draconian" process. And I am sorry and not sorry at the same time. Like it or not. They're a HUGE burden to the tax payer. And it's [BLEEP] that we have to eat those expenses and costs associated with it.

Our policies are tame and mild in comparison to the rest of the world. Mexico's government in and of itself is extremely hypocritical. Just look at the border and security they have in the South of Mexico. Look at how the Middle East treats it's own people when they have immigrants moving West instead of South or East to live in and around certain parts with similar languages, religions, customs and cultures. They're forced to move into places like Germany or the U.K.

So, please, spare me the bleeding heart and get off your soap box. We're still the largest [BLEEP] beacon on the planet for when it comes to freedom and opportunity. Are our policies perfect? Of course not. But compared to where these folks are coming from or what they've gone through? It's [BLEEP] heaven to them. People are crying over 1.8M or 800K illegals right now that don't offer much to our tax system right away. Yet, here it stands we have 554,000 Americans homeless according to HUD. With roughly anywhere between 40,000 - 50,000 of those being veterans. We also have an estimated 49M American's that struggle with hunger each year with 16.2M being counted as children. That's 1 in 5 KNOWN American children going hungry.

That's not to mention all the other burdens with cost of living, lack of education, poor mental health, shootings, crime, drug addictions, etc. We have PLENTY of [BLEEP] to worry about here FIRST with OUR OWN AMERICANS. LEGAL CITIZENS. That means everybody. Black, Latin, Asian, White, Christian, Catholic, Muslim or Jewish. Doesn't matter. But we need to start putting our people first. The people who have already been counted as an American. The people who have invested time, energy and taxes into our society and way of life. The people who fought and sacrificed for a better tomorrow. The people who have paid their dues and continue to pay EVEN MORE in dues today. NOT the other way around.

And this is coming from a non leaning left nor right mindset.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

For the hard of hearing... People who petition the government to seek asylum are not illegal immigrants. There are people trying to become citizens legally and being separated from their kids. The message this sends is.. "Don't try to come in legally." This is punishing people in an inhumane way for trying to go through the proper channels to become a citizen. That is what makes it completely [BLEEP] up.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

This is a Trump policy and he is using it as leverage to try to get Dems to cave on other policies he wants to enact. All of this when the GOP has control of the WH, House and Senate. This is a morally bankrupt and inexcusable action. These are asylum seekers looking to come into the U.S. through proper channels.

Not true

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For the hard of hearing...  People who petition the government to seek asylum are not illegal immigrants. There are people trying to become citizens legally and being separated from their kids. The message this sends is..  "Don't try to come in legally." This is punishing people in an inhumane way for trying to go through the proper channels to become a citizen. That is what makes it completely [BLEEP] up.

Virtually every single administration in at least the past three decades, whether it was Democrats or Republicans involved didn't seem to matter when it came or comes to Immigration Policies. It doesn't stop or didn't stop immigrants from pouring into our country legally or illegally on a yearly basis.

As of February of 2018 we have nearly 34M immigrants in the books documented by law. You're reaching and making assumptions. Because statistically despite various administrative attempts from BOTH primary parties it hasn't slowed down one bit. Plain and simple as that.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

For the hard of hearing...  People who petition the government to seek asylum are not illegal immigrants. There are people trying to become citizens legally and being separated from their kids. The message this sends is..  "Don't try to come in legally." This is punishing people in an inhumane way for trying to go through the proper channels to become a citizen. That is what makes it completely [BLEEP] up.

I have not seen or heard it play out this way. Can you provide an example or source to support what you stated?

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This is a Trump policy and he is using it as leverage to try to get Dems to cave on other policies he wants to enact. All of this when the GOP has control of the WH, House and Senate. This is a morally bankrupt and inexcusable action. These are asylum seekers looking to come into the U.S. through proper channels. My grandfather and thousands like him came through Ellis Island to pursue the American dream. Both he and my father immigrated here and both volunteered to serve in thr military (WWII and Vietnam). They were two of the most patriotic men I have ever known. I cannot imagine either of them would recognize the country they fought for had they been alive. No parent who hugs their kids at night should be okay with this draconian policy.

How is this a Trump policy? I specifically tried to stay away from assigning blame in my original post, but it was inevitable someone would go there. Would both parties be to blame? When do morality and criminal intent intersect?

Your Grandfather like many other peoples grandparents and great grandparents did it the proper way. It is my understanding that a majority of these cases getting attention did not take the legal path nor did they fall under asylum rules. These are folks that understood the risks and went forward with criminal intent.

FYI, immigration separation began under Reagan with The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) (spouses and children didn't qualify). Bush corrected this with the combined Immigration Act of 1990. Became an issue once again through the Obama years (http://immigrationimpact.com/2014/06/26/...ords-show/). It's only now getting negative attention because its Trump. There is no law that demands separation and quite the contrary. In any case, it is the DOJ and Sessions that have a zero-tolerance policy. I'd be curious to know how many of these children at the border were escorted by a parent or blood relative.

We should not get in the habit of rewarding criminals and rule breakers that have zero respect for our laws. It sucks that children get caught in the middle but the options seem to be go back with illegal parent/relative or get placed with a legal parent/relative. Beyond that should not be the U.S. problem.

No parent who hugs their kids at night should knowingly put their kids in harms way or subject them to illegal practices.

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Am I the only one that doesn't think these centers are a bad thing? They have nice, clean beds. They get new clothes, hygiene supplies, bathrooms / showers, video games, large flat screen televisions, leather couches, Foosball tables, etc. etc. etc. Most of the kids are unaccompanied or were being used by people they don't know to increase the chances of getting in. If politicians cared about these kids, they would've fixed it under Obama.

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This is a Trump policy and he is using it as leverage to try to get Dems to cave on other policies he wants to enact. All of this when the GOP has control of the WH, House and Senate. This is a morally bankrupt and inexcusable action. These are asylum seekers looking to come into the U.S. through proper channels. My grandfather and thousands like him came through Ellis Island to pursue the American dream. Both he and my father immigrated here and both volunteered to serve in thr military (WWII and Vietnam). They were two of the most patriotic men I have ever known. I cannot imagine either of them would recognize the country they fought for had they been alive. No parent who hugs their kids at night should be okay with this draconian policy.

You could not be more wrong.

Regarding the first part in bold, this is not a "Trump policy".  As of matter of fact, this administration is actually doing the right thing by enforcing the law as written.

Regarding the second part of your comment in bold, no they are not "asylum seekers".  These are people that broke the law by entering the country illegally.  It's not a new policy for children to be taken away and/or separated from their parents when their parents break the law and are undergoing criminal proceedings.  Check out this article for more details.

From the article.

Under current practice, HHS takes care of unaccompanied illegal immigrant children as well as now those under the age of 18 who must be cared for while the adults they were apprehended with are prosecuted for illegal entry. This spring, Sessions directed federal prosecutors stationed at the border to bring charges against all migrants that U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers took into custody.

However, family units that arrive at ports of entry and request asylum will not be prosecuted because they have not attempted to enter the country illegally, several DHS officials confirmed to the Washington Examiner. They will also be kept together as they go through the asylum process. These groups are detained in DHS facilities while minors are directed to HHS.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Am I the only one that doesn't think these centers are a bad thing? They have nice, clean beds. They get new clothes, hygiene supplies,  bathrooms / showers, video games, large flat screen televisions, leather couches, Foosball tables, etc. etc. etc. Most of the kids are unaccompanied or were being used by people they don't know to increase the chances of getting in. If politicians cared about these kids, they would've fixed it under Obama.

No you are not the only one.  They are actually treated in a quite humane fashion.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

"My dream is to leave my country and become an American citizen so that I can become a drug addict and burden the economy," said no immigrant ever.

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How is this not terrorizing really young kids?

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Only a chump boos the home team!

"My dream is to leave my country and become an American citizen so that I can become a drug addict and burden the economy," said no immigrant ever.

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How is this not terrorizing really young kids?

This whole concept of "illegal" really has you perplexed doesn't it.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Morally, I'm just not okay with traumatizing seven year olds as a political tool.

Contrary to what they will have you believe, they are not animals.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Political tool, no. Its about the 9th circuits order regarding time limits for the detention of minors.

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Morally, I'm just not okay with traumatizing seven year olds as a political tool.

Contrary to what they will have you believe, they are not animals.

But you're surely ok with exagerating their circumstances for political gain though.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato