(11-05-2018, 02:39 PM)Kane Wrote: Last year my top dude was Baker. Even though everyone fawned over some kid named Darnold who seemingly likes to throw INTs more than Bortles.
This year I've been high on Grier, a lot of people haven't been so high on him. Nice to see he is winning some folks over. He had a bad game earlier this year but he played his tail off against Texas and the refs lol

I always thought Herbert would remain atop everyone's (the draftniks and the arm chair GMs) but man I think Grier has everything you need a QB. Accurate, smart, good enough arm strength, toughness, and a lil swagger (not Manziel but I personally loved the horns down stuff, thats good college rivalry stuff, imo)

I wouldn't mind J-Ville trading up to get Grier.
Tampa could/should/will be in the QB market.
NYG obviously (it is obvious at this point, right?)
Regardless, the thought of maybe a bad game or two would make him slide into the 2nd is gone out of my mind. QB 5 or 6? On what planet...
or I guess... I hope so, easy pickins for us at that point.

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(11-03-2018, 11:03 PM)hostiletakeover Wrote: I'm okay with it if he's there in the 3rd. He plays in the Big 12 where defense is non-existent. Texas' pass defense is somewhere in the 80-90 range. Best pass defense he probably played against was Iowa State and he looked like crap. Without even looking, I can almost guarantee he's not in the top-3 in passing statistics in the Big 12. He's a product of a system, fueled by playing in a conference that lacks even decent defenses.

Patrick Mahomes and Baker played in the Big 12.
Goff in the Pac12
and Wentz was whatever division North Dakota State.

Ain't trying to hear that.
You draft the kid with the tools and you hire a coach that can build around him.

Plenty of SEC QBs play against tough defenses and aren't a whole lot of successful ones from there.
Conference means diddly.

You think Will Grier, even remotely, has the same tools as the guys you listed?  I'm not saying conference makes a player.  I don't think Grier necessarily has all the tools NFL teams would usually look for; he definitely doesn't have the same tools as the quarterbacks you listed.  People seem to be on Grier because of the stats he's producing in the Big 12. His stats pale in comparison to other Big 12 quarterbacks now and in the past. You compared Grier with Mahomes.  Mahomes had better production and a better toolset.  Mahomes was a 5000+ yard passer with over 40 touchdowns.  Grier is in the under 3500 range and mid-30 range in touchdowns.  The tools are off the chart too.  Mahomes is bigger, faster, more athletic, bigger arm, better delivery... The two aren't even comparable.