So mikesez says ... "that the party you have unduly pledged allegiance to (though some of you claim to be independent, hah)"

I don't know what that means. Does that mean everybody that claims middle ground are lying? To be honest, I haven't noticed much middle ground in politics for many years, and it ain't getting anything even remotely close to being better. Sure, blame them (the other side), or blame him (pick one).  mikesez doesn't come off as middle ground either ... This sucks, and it is going to get way worse before it gets better. It won't get better, because look at the guy you are debating on this board (from both sides). You think he is going to change, and you don't have to? You fools are digging in, not working together. The divide is growing, and it didn't start a couple years ago.

Bunch of thick headed people lead our country, and have for more than one Presidency.  They aren't just located in the White House either. They are in every branch. They are alive and well living next door to each other ... in your own neighborhoods. Last Democrat President I voted for was Clinton. When are we ever going to get two middle ground Presidential nominations again? Not like this we aren't

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