(03-07-2019, 08:42 AM)JagsorDie Wrote:

(03-07-2019, 01:40 AM)JagswinJagswin Wrote: I was talking to a guy at work about this earlier in the week. I understand Foles has done some great things on a loaded Philly team but the Jags are not loaded offensively. Foles has thrown over 2,200 yards only once in his career- Bortles never less than 2,700, only thrown for double digit TD's twice- B every year, most attempted passes in a season 337- B 403 lowest amount of att, most times sacked in a season 28- B lowest 24 and highest 55, most games started in a year was 11 and he was pretty bad, Foles int/td ratio is skewed because of 1 amazing season. This is not to prop Bortles up but just to show an idea of what Foles brings to the table for a below average offense. If you can get him for a realistic contract, not some Cousins type of contract then by all means pick him up. But if his price is too high and you cannot get Haskins without trading up and please NO KM, then I say trade a 3rd for a guy that was a top 10 pick and has already played one year on the NFL level behind a terrible line. I would hope they are using one of the top 3 round picks on a QB regardless, isn't Rosen a much better option than any of the QB's you are going to pick up in rounds 2 or 3? Personally, I'd prolly even give the second pick for him if that's what it took but that's just me. FA I'd try to get LB CJ Mosley assuming he can play the middle in a 4-3, TE- Jesse James, OL either Mitch Morse, Matt Paradis, or Ja'waun James. Draft TE, OL, RB, DT, FS.

What you are saying here makes a lot of since and I don't completely dis agree with you. But there are some important things to remember when using Bortles' stats as a crutch. First, I have never been one to bang the "garbage time" stats drum. But let's be honest, a lot of BB's production was inflated by putting up numbers late in games that were out of reach against prevent/soft coverage. And we can't say he didn't always have weapons, there was a time we had two receivers who are starting caliber receiver. One of which(hurns) took quite a few thumps over the middle going after BB balls( a lot of recievers take those licks but a lot passes didn't do him any favors). I'm not just trying rip Bortles apart, but coming from someone who defended him through most of his time here in duval, I have to call it like I see it when I look back. Stats may suggest one thing, but I watched every one of his games, they don't tell the whole story.

Then let's look at the biggest factor, at least IMO. The throwing motion/mechanics and decision making/reads. Bortles mechanics are not great( putting it lightly). I remember when back corner fades in the end zone were almost automatic to Robinson. Then it turned into a time where the crowd had a better shot at the ball. His wind up and release are not quick to say the least. His Footwork in the pocket is also not great. Occasionally you see a pass come out that looks like a punt(I remember a time when people were sharing tweets on here that were excited about BB throwing a tight spiral.... really). Couple that with the slow to poor decision makings that forces coordinators to dumb down schemes for him, and you have a yourself a BB. Foles on the other hand doesn't share these same characteristics( at least not to the level of B.B.). On top of that we brought in one of his coaches from his sb run with at philly as a OC.

I'm not saying foles is the best in the league. But he is certainly a upgrade. We don't need a world beater GOAT qb. We just need someone who doesn't put our D in bad positions with ints and quick 3 and outs and demands a little respect in the passing game from opposing Ds so we don't face a stacked box every run. Foles, imo, fits the build quite nicely the more I look.

My main reason for comparing NF v BB is to show that they were not playing the same game, so to speak. The snaps and talent around them were much different and outside of NF one amazing season his stats are really not that special. His one year outside of Philly that he was "the" starter was very pedestrian. All of what I said before and now really are more of a way of saying that I don't really think that NF is going to be much better than BB on this team, without some serious upgrades. Which we could partially have at this point if the Jags hadn't blown last years draft, IMO.
If you are just looking for someone to not turn the ball over and just manage the offense Tyrod Taylor is available for a much cheaper price and has shown he could do that in Buffalo. With that said I do not want TT here as the starter, just saying. I'd even be more inclined to try to get Derek Carr if the Raiders draft a QB in the first than NF. Personally, I am tired of having a QB just to manage a game. I think, for what may only cost a 3rd round pick, you can get first round talent QB that is only 22 I'd go that way.

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