(03-18-2019, 04:48 PM)Steelers Beaches Wrote: (03-18-2019, 01:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Regardless of the OP motives/intentions (I'll not insert my opinion) I'll attempt to be clear on my Coughlin stance.
I thought him being fired in Jax back in the day was NOT a mistake. He was trying to run a dictatorship and wearing too many hats. Not wearing some of them effectively.
I feel he learned from those mistakes and became a better coach with the Giants. I think being reined in was necessary for him at the time and he benefited from it. Change was necessary.
Of course I wish they'd been able to rein him in here and bring those titles to Jax, but it is what it is.
IN THE HERE AND NOW:
I didn't say the league has moved past him as the OP here suggests but I stated it is moving past him. I do believe some (not all) of his tendencies and philosophies are going to be antiquated sooner than later. The league wants what it wants and you'd be unwise as an EVP of football ops to ignore it. I love staunch defense and ground and pound more than most do, but the modern team must do what it takes to remain competitive in a fluid environment.
Thus far I've been mostly unimpressed with his work in the F.O.
I hope that this offseason additions and changes really do impart a sustainable culture change and we see a disciplined team with a functional offense in 2019. That would brighten my outlook on TC's football czar role and his performance in it greatly. Pre-draft - I like where this offseason seems headed.
Well, he is one of two coaches/teams to ever play in a conference championship in the 2nd year of existence. I will have to check, but I am pretty sure those are extraordinary results. Like, never before witnessed in the NFL.
He followed up year 2 of making it to the AFCC game with two 11-5 seasons, followed by a 14-2 campaign, where they once again made it to the AFCC game. In 1999 they were clearly one of the best teams in the NFL with only one team beating them the entire season (unfortunately that one team, TN, ending their season).
So, if TC's ways were so counterproductive, it sure didn't show in the results, other than no rings, but that is hardly an a indictment. (The Steelers had a 25-year drought, from 1980 until 2005 in between rings and even the greatest QB and coach of all time - Brady and Hoodie - had a 10-year drought of SB wins - 2004 until 2014.)
So, then after 1999, he did have 3 losing seasons. Now, it _could_ have been the team burning out on the TC intensity and strictness...or it could have been the aging of the team and simply becoming less talented.
Regardless, they kicked TC to the curb only to see him win TWO rings in NY. And contrary to some, it's not like TC made massive changes to his way of doing things in NY. Sure, he opened and warmed up a little, but no wholesale changes were made; you still got fined if you weren't 5 minutes early to meetings and all that.
And, I am a little confused. You say you like where this off-season is heading, but you expressed earlier you weren't even onboard with TC being head bozo in charge. I think those two assertions are mutually exclusive. TC is clearly calling all the shots, so how can you disapprove of him, yet feel the direction of the team is encouraging? Those two things cannot co-exist.
No.
You are extraordinarily confused. I'm not sure "more confused" is possible.
I'm not going to bother explaining. You'll take it to mean something entirely different anyway.
I will correct you on two things that maybe you won't twist:
Coughlin made major changes after he was fired here. For one, the giants organization didn't allow him to power trip and try to play GM, OC and HC all at once. And he was nearly fired TWICE in NY for being to much of a disciplinarian with his players. He was forced to change and he was better for doing it. Ultimately his willfulness cost him his job there as well.
Thing two:
Things didn't start going all weird for TC here until 2000 when he was Gm, OC and HC and not doing them all very well.
The rest , I'll just let you enjoy the blissful ignorance.
