(02-13-2020, 12:54 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: (02-12-2020, 11:17 PM)Bullseye Wrote: Your take on the coaching is fully consistent with your prior assessments of Jaguars coaching, and is even more intriguing in this context. I am not sold that coaching may have hindered the development of Linder or the rest of the OL. The year before he arrived, the Jaguars allowed 71 sacks. Marrone came aboard in 2015 and the team allowed 51 sacks, twenty fewer than the year before.. The next year, the sacks allowed dropped by 1/3 down to 34 sacks allowed. By 2017, the Marrone coached OL allowed 24 sacks. I am not sure how the OL as a whole can show that dramatic improvement over three years if the individuals on that line were not being developed properly during that time. Now I can buy the argument that the development may have plateaued/peaked, but that happens with all players at some point and I am unsure if blame can be assigned to Marrone during that time. However, I was NOT fond of Jawaan Taylor's development under Warhop. I preferred the old OL coach (I can't recall his name).
I think we pretty much see eye to eye everywhere else.
There were upgrades to the OL in both 2015 (Parnell, Cann, Wisnewski) and 2016 (Beachum, Linder back from injury, Beadles cut). In 2017 Marrone was no longer the OL coach, he was the head coach, and Fournette had a lot to do with the drop in sacks that year, probably more than Robinson replacing Beachum.
Robinson's best year was his rookie year. Same with Cann. Linder is really the only draft pick on the OL who might have improved at all after his rookie year, and his improvement hasn't been significant. IIRC, he was one of the top graded guards by PFF in 2014.
Maybe the hiring of Warhop was Marrone admitting that his predecessor (I can't recall the old coach's name either) wasn't doing a good job. I have heard that the Bucs fans hated Warhop. We can only hope they were wrong. I remember reading an article with Taylor saying he's learned a lot from Warhop, and that his play has improved over the year. If that's true he still has a lot of room for improvement.
That is a fair/reasoned analysis that I can not readily rebut.
But is it possible Caldwell drafted guys with high floors and low ceilings such that they could come in as rookies and perform well, but could not develop their games beyond what they had coming in? If so, is that a plus or minus in the analysis of Caldwell?
I am on the record of being against the changes to the coaching staff made after the 2018 season. As it currently stands, I am not a fan of Warhop .
(02-13-2020, 01:01 AM)JackCity Wrote: The best our line during this era has been was 2017 when Pat Flaherty took charge, he has long a track record of making lines into good units. Then in 2018 everyone was injured and he was scapegoated albeit there was likely personality clashes involved as Pat isn't the tamest soul around and he was let go in a matter of months by the Dolphins just last year.
Warhop has been a pretty unimpressive offensive line coach and multiple stops but was hired because he's friends with Doug and Doug rates his ability to develop players. He was quite poor last year imo, even with Taylor developing as the season went on
Flaherty! His termination was one of my biggest concens. Warhops has done nothing to assuage them. In fact he has exacerbated them. I am not impressed at all with Taylor's development.
Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
