Bringing up Aikman and Favre is not silly at all.


Do the research. I guarantee you the overwhelming majority of successful NFL QBs started off as inconsistent passers.

All time? Sure. How about in the last few years since the rules changed?

Would actually be interesting to see. Take the top 10 guys of the last say... 10 years and see how they did

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Are you upset? Sounds like you want to cry.

What an intelligent response. Instead of responding to my phone points you make that eloquent point

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And how did he follow that up his following yeAr? How about year 3?

You know this is year 2 right? You continue to use year 3 for your agenda.

But with Ill play, huge leap from around week 11 year 2 to the end of year 3.

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But, But, But that interception to Lewis! Young quarterbacks shouldn't throw picks after 16 starts. On top of all that, its his job to make sure the defense holds the NE offense scoreless.

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You know this is year 2 right? You continue to use year 3 for your agenda.

 

my "agenda" is simply that Tannehill has improved from year 1 to 2 to 3.

 

Hopefully Bortles follows a similar trend because Tannehill is an excellent example of how a QB is SUPPOSED to progress.

 

And lets not forget, Tannehill played WR for a while at Texas A&M.  Not like he came in as a polished pro-style QB like Andrew Luck.

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my "agenda" is simply that Tannehill has improved from year 1 to 2 to 3.

 

Hopefully Bortles follows a similar trend because Tannehill is an excellent example of how a QB is SUPPOSED to progress.

 

And lets not forget, Tannehill played WR for a while at Texas A&M.  Not like he came in as a polished pro-style QB like Andrew Luck.

At this point all any of us can do is watch with fingers crossed.

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Only two Bortles ints were bad throws, the 3rd one was after he got hit

 

Its the NFL QBs throw ints, he's in his 2nd year he is not gonna be perfect 

 

Pats are the only team we play this year thats gonna score every time they touch the ball, rest of the year its gonna be normal football

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What an intelligent response. Instead of responding to my phone points you make that eloquent point

 

 

Still crying. Geez get over it.

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Well, if you really want to put things in perspective, Blake just started his 16th game today.

 

That's the equivalent of exactly 1 NFL season, so his next start will be just like starting his second season.

 

I guess the real questions would be: Do you like what you have seen after only 16 NFL starts or are you disappointed in what you have seen after only 16 NFL starts?

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

All time? Sure. How about in the last few years since the rules changed?

Would actually be interesting to see. Take the top 10 guys of the last say... 10 years and see how they did

 

Tony Romo: 1st year starting: qb rating of 95, 19 TDs to 13 INTs, 2nd year 36TDs to 19 INTS

 

Aaron Rodgers: 1st year starting: qb rating 106, 28TDs to 13 INTs

 

Ben Roethlisberger: 1st year starting (rookie): qb rating 98.1, 17 TDs to 11 INTs

 

Peyton Manning (although we could argue he belongs to a different generation) as rookie: QB rating of 71, 26TDs to 28 INTs

 

Tom Brady: 1st year playing (after Bledsoe injury) qb rating of 87, 18 TDs to 12 INTs

 

Drew Brees: QB rating of 77, 17 TDs to 16 INTs, 

 

Andrew Luck: QB rating of 77, 23 TDs to 17 INTs

 

Russell Wilson: QB rating of 100 as rookie, 26TDs to 10 INTs

 

Phillip Rivers: 1st year starting (3rd year): QB rating of 92, 22 TDS, 9 INTs

 

Ryan Tannehill: rookie year: QB rating of 76, 12 TDs, 13 INTs

 

Matt Ryan: qb rating of 88, 17 TDs, 11 INTs

 

Andy Dalton:  rookie QB rating of 80, 20 TDs 13 INTs

 

Cam Newton: rookie QB rating of 85, 21 TDs, 14 INts (also rushed for 14 TDs)

 

Eli Manning: started 7 games as rookie, QB rating of 55 - next season started 16 games, qb rating 76 with 24 TDs and 17 INTs

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Tony Romo: 1st year starting: qb rating of 95, 19 TDs to 13 INTs, 2nd year 36TDs to 19 INTS

 

Aaron Rodgers: 1st year starting: qb rating 106, 28TDs to 13 INTs

 

Ben Roethlisberger: 1st year starting (rookie): qb rating 98.1, 17 TDs to 11 INTs

 

Peyton Manning (although we could argue he belongs to a different generation) as rookie: QB rating of 71, 26TDs to 28 INTs

 

Tom Brady: 1st year playing (after Bledsoe injury) qb rating of 87, 18 TDs to 12 INTs

 

Drew Brees: QB rating of 77, 17 TDs to 16 INTs, 

 

Andrew Luck: QB rating of 77, 23 TDs to 17 INTs

 

Russell Wilson: QB rating of 100 as rookie, 26TDs to 10 INTs

 

Phillip Rivers: 1st year starting (3rd year): QB rating of 92, 22 TDS, 9 INTs

 

Ryan Tannehill: rookie year: QB rating of 76, 12 TDs, 13 INTs

 

Matt Ryan: qb rating of 88, 17 TDs, 11 INTs

 

Andy Dalton:  rookie QB rating of 80, 20 TDs 13 INTs

 

Cam Newton: rookie QB rating of 85, 21 TDs, 14 INts (also rushed for 14 TDs)

 

Eli Manning: started 7 games as rookie, QB rating of 55 - next season started 16 games, qb rating 76 with 24 TDs and 17 INTs

 

That's some good work to put all these stats up. Very interesting indeed.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

Tony Romo: 1st year starting: qb rating of 95, 19 TDs to 13 INTs, 2nd year 36TDs to 19 INTS

 

Aaron Rodgers: 1st year starting: qb rating 106, 28TDs to 13 INTs

 

Ben Roethlisberger: 1st year starting (rookie): qb rating 98.1, 17 TDs to 11 INTs

 

Peyton Manning (although we could argue he belongs to a different generation) as rookie: QB rating of 71, 26TDs to 28 INTs

 

Tom Brady: 1st year playing (after Bledsoe injury) qb rating of 87, 18 TDs to 12 INTs

 

Drew Brees: QB rating of 77, 17 TDs to 16 INTs, 

 

Andrew Luck: QB rating of 77, 23 TDs to 17 INTs

 

Russell Wilson: QB rating of 100 as rookie, 26TDs to 10 INTs

 

Phillip Rivers: 1st year starting (3rd year): QB rating of 92, 22 TDS, 9 INTs

 

Ryan Tannehill: rookie year: QB rating of 76, 12 TDs, 13 INTs

 

Matt Ryan: qb rating of 88, 17 TDs, 11 INTs

 

Andy Dalton:  rookie QB rating of 80, 20 TDs 13 INTs

 

Cam Newton: rookie QB rating of 85, 21 TDs, 14 INts (also rushed for 14 TDs)

 

Eli Manning: started 7 games as rookie, QB rating of 55 - next season started 16 games, qb rating 76 with 24 TDs and 17 INTs

 

Damn boy! That's what I call a Truth Nuke!

 

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Still crying. Geez get over it.

There's no crying here. Youre the one who has consistently posted criticism and gotten upset, and I make a response with points to counter; and you choose not to respond intelligently. If you can't back up your assertions, then don't bother making them

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My conclusion is this:

 

It is not accurate to suggest that most of the good QBs IN TODAY's NFL struggled.  Many of them found success very early on.

 

The best example of QB struggling early and becoming elite is probably Drew Brees.. but I would also argue that playing back then was much different than now (different passing rules).

 

Another decent example is Eli Manning.  He struggled and was up and down his first 3 or so years before he "turned it around".... yet he is still known to be a turnover machine at times.  He's got 2 rings so all is forgiven for him though.

 

Guys like Romo and Rodgers sat for 3 years, so it's not really a fair comparison.

 

I keep bringing up Tannehill because I would LOVE for Bortles to progress like he has.  Tannehill was raw (like Bortles) and struggled his rookie year.  By year 2, he was improved - by year 3 he was passing for over 4000 yards with QBR of over 90.  I think we would all take that from Bortles.

 

Luck, although his qb rating wasn't great - threw for a ton of yards and had a positive TD to INT ration from the get-go and got his team to the playoffs.

 

Dalton, Wilson, Ryan, Newton were all significant upgrades over the garbage they had their previous years and succeeded from early on in their rookie years.

 

 

 

My conclusion:  Most successful QBs in today's NFL did not struggle mightily in their rookie years, and almost all of them had significant "jumps" in production in year 2.  

 

The only QB who did worse in year 2 was Drew Brees surprisingly.

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Damn boy! That's what I call a Truth Nuke!

I see quite a few quarterbacks in there who had rookie years that were bad, and some of them sat on the bench for the first couple seasons, a luxury Bortles didn't have

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There's no crying here. Youre the one who has consistently posted criticism and gotten upset, and I make a response with points to counter; and you choose not to respond intelligently. If you can't back up your assertions, then don't bother making them

 

 

Look at my post history. Dont get mad because I don't engage with an a silly argument. Your entitled to you're wrong opinion. 

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My conclusion is this:

 

It is not accurate to suggest that most of the good QBs IN TODAY's NFL struggled.  Many of them found success very early on.

 

The best example of QB struggling early and becoming elite is probably Drew Brees.. but I would also argue that playing back then was much different than now (different passing rules).

 

Another decent example is Eli Manning.  He struggled and was up and down his first 3 or so years before he "turned it around".... yet he is still known to be a turnover machine at times.  He's got 2 rings so all is forgiven for him though.

 

Guys like Romo and Rodgers sat for 3 years, so it's not really a fair comparison.

 

I keep bringing up Tannehill because I would LOVE for Bortles to progress like he has.  Tannehill was raw (like Bortles) and struggled his rookie year.  By year 2, he was improved - by year 3 he was passing for over 4000 yards with QBR of over 90.  I think we would all take that from Bortles.

 

Luck, although his qb rating wasn't great - threw for a ton of yards and had a positive TD to INT ration from the get-go and got his team to the playoffs.

 

Dalton, Wilson, Ryan, Newton were all significant upgrades over the garbage they had their previous years and succeeded from early on in their rookie years.

 

 

 

My conclusion:  Most successful QBs in today's NFL did not struggle mightily in their rookie years, and almost all of them had significant "jumps" in production in year 2.  

 

The only QB who did worse in year 2 was Drew Brees surprisingly.

 

Bortles had 11 TD's in 13 starts last year. And has 5 TD's in 3 starts this year. That's a pretty significant improvement so far.

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My conclusion is this:


It is not accurate to suggest that most of the good QBs IN TODAY's NFL struggled. Many of them found success very early on.


The best example of QB struggling early and becoming elite is probably Drew Brees.. but I would also argue that playing back then was much different than now (different passing rules).


Another decent example is Eli Manning. He struggled and was up and down his first 3 or so years before he "turned it around".... yet he is still known to be a turnover machine at times. He's got 2 rings so all is forgiven for him though.


Guys like Romo and Rodgers sat for 3 years, so it's not really a fair comparison.


I keep bringing up Tannehill because I would LOVE for Bortles to progress like he has. Tannehill was raw (like Bortles) and struggled his rookie year. By year 2, he was improved - by year 3 he was passing for over 4000 yards with QBR of over 90. I think we would all take that from Bortles.


Luck, although his qb rating wasn't great - threw for a ton of yards and had a positive TD to INT ration from the get-go and got his team to the playoffs.


Dalton, Wilson, Ryan, Newton were all significant upgrades over the garbage they had their previous years and succeeded from early on in their rookie years.




My conclusion: Most successful QBs in today's NFL did not struggle mightily in their rookie years, and almost all of them had significant "jumps" in production in year 2.


The only QB who did worse in year 2 was Drew Brees surprisingly.

This is a very reasonable analysis. There are also quite a few QBs who struggled like Manning as well. The other issue to take into consideration is what scenario they were thrown into. Take Troy Aikman for example; his first couple seasons were sub 500; again I can't predict with certainty that the light will come on for Bortles. But nobody wants to give him a fair shot; which is what is needed instead of knee jerk reactions; again I say, do we really want to be the Browns of the south?

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I see quite a few quarterbacks in there who had rookie years that were bad, and some of them sat on the bench for the first couple seasons, a luxury Bortles didn't have

 

I always like rookie qbs to sit and learn. Gus's decision was to go with a raw qb. Now he better make it work. So far its not looking good for him.

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Look at my post history. Dont get mad because I don't engage with an a silly argument. Your entitled to you're wrong opinion.

I had indeed seen your posts, and you have since last year attacked Bortles. And neither of our opinions are correct, not yet. The jury is still out. You have chosen to be impatient and ignore anything that counters your opinion.

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