Actually, FNC wins the ratings game because they get all the republican viewers, whereas the democrats are split across many outlets as you relate above.


I don't what you are talking about in regards to 'progressives' and their conspiracy against education lol.

 

Good stuff.  If that was indeed the case, FNC wouldn't be pulling in ratings that crush cable competition AND network.  In key demographics, they're simply owning the demos by numbers that negate your point, but nice try. 

 

Really?  How many conservative professors do you hear about in major universities vs. liberal?   I would venture to say the ratio is probably 80:20 in favor of liberals. 

 

For public schools, they are dominated by unions.  I have first hand experience with this here in Duval County, and the power the union wields in how teachers are expected to teach.

 

If you don't think progressives have imbedded themselves at all levels of education, it's almost a certainty you're a product. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I think some people in this thread have cause and effect mixed up. The mainstream isn't liberal because the media is liberal. The media is liberal because the mainstream is liberal. News networks chase ratings and they'll broadcast whatever gets the most viewers. The only exception is Fox News but since they're the only conservative network out there they don't have to share their audience whereas all the other do.

 

If your logic was even remotely accurate, networks like MSNBC would have measurable ratings.  Sorry, but that's not happening, and the ratings for all mainstream news outlets have been steadily on the decline across the board for years. 

 

Why do you think mainstream networks are scrambling to change their formats or come up with new gimmicks to try to draw back viewers?  They're not sharing an audience.  They're hemorrhaging one. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Good stuff.  If that was indeed the case, FNC wouldn't be pulling in ratings that crush cable competition AND network.  In key demographics, they're simply owning the demos by numbers that negate your point, but nice try. 

 

Really?  How many conservative professors do you hear about in major universities vs. liberal?   I would venture to say the ratio is probably 80:20 in favor of liberals. 

 

For public schools, they are dominated by unions.  I have first hand experience with this here in Duval County, and the power the union wields in how teachers are expected to teach.

 

If you don't think progressives have imbedded themselves at all levels of education, it's almost a certainty you're a product. 

 

I remember being in college for the 1992 election....and as you say....pretty much most of the professors were lib, some might have hid it better than others....

 

THis one professor I had was ridiculously biased. He would literally try to get the whole body of the class to vote for Clinton and any conservatives that claimed they were planning on voting for Bush (or Perot) he'd make fun of them and encourage pro-liberal talk. It was disgusting. If I wasn't done that class in weeks I'd have dropped it right then. 

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Good stuff. If that was indeed the case, FNC wouldn't be pulling in ratings that crush cable competition AND network. In key demographics, they're simply owning the demos by numbers that negate your point, but nice try.


Really? How many conservative professors do you hear about in major universities vs. liberal? I would venture to say the ratio is probably 80:20 in favor of liberals.


For public schools, they are dominated by unions. I have first hand experience with this here in Duval County, and the power the union wields in how teachers are expected to teach.


If you don't think progressives have imbedded themselves at all levels of education, it's almost a certainty you're a product.

I went to a bunch of schools. Public schools here in Duval and then got myself a liberal arts degree at a 4 yr deal up north. Couldn't tell ya the political affiliation of most of my educators. In regards to teachers unions, no, they don't do anything like that anymore. They offer discounts to Disney.


To the best of my knowledge, I've yet to meet a 'progressive.'

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The south has been red for decades and is among the poorest and least developed regions in the US. 

 

Nope.  Much unlike the federal government, the state of Florida now has a budget surplus.  I'd hope no guess is needed on your part as to which side of the political spectrum is in majority in Florida.

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I went to a bunch of schools. Public schools here in Duval and then got myself a liberal arts degree at a 4 yr deal up north. Couldn't tell ya the political affiliation of most of my educators. In regards to teachers unions, no, they don't do anything like that anymore. They offer discounts to Disney.


To the best of my knowledge, I've yet to meet a 'progressive.'

 

If that's what you think, you clearly know little about the teacher's unions. 

 

You haven't been looking.  I just took my daughter on one college visit and just based on the curriculum, it's clear what the political viewpoints are of the professors.  If you didn't notice, it's llikely because you agreed. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

The south has been red for decades and is among the poorest and least developed regions in the US.

California, New York, a good portion of the New England area, Detroit, Chicago (I think,, maybe I'm thinking of their gun problems), are among the top developed areas that are in financial straits. Wisconsin was in some financial trouble too, IIRC, until their conservative governing took over. Now, he did some very unpopular things to a lot of people in that state, but their finances turned around.


Texas seems to be doing much better than that. Florida too (I believe, but many of the posters here could say for sure).


Other smaller southern states, like where I live, are not near as strong economically, and more underdeveloped than those bigger places. But, our financial situation is not as dire as some of the "developed- more progressive" big boys.


That's what I was referring to. Yes, I know West Virginia is not near developed as California/New York. But that doesn't mean their financial situation isn't in much worse shape.

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Nope.  Much unlike the federal government, the state of Florida now has a budget surplus.  I'd hope no guess is needed on your part as to which side of the political spectrum is in majority in Florida.

I believe he was referring to red vs. blue. 

 

What he failed to take into account with his blanket assumption is that it's always been red states in the south.  Democrats dominated this region of the country until about 30 years ago.  Prior to that, they had been running things in the south since practically the Civil War. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I think some people in this thread have cause and effect mixed up. The mainstream isn't liberal because the media is liberal. The media is liberal because the mainstream is liberal. News networks chase ratings and they'll broadcast whatever gets the most viewers. The only exception is Fox News but since they're the only conservative network out there they don't have to share their audience whereas all the other do.

 

Okay, let's accept your premise for a second, which is, if I'm not mistaken, saying the journalists script their stories with heavy consideration of their audience in mind.  Doesn't that go against every tenant of true journalism?  Which I think would be, report as it happened, regardless of any circumstance, no?  And I not talking about the opinion shows on both sides, but things purported as actual newscast.  Like Brian Williams from NBC.  His show couldn't have any more of a left wing slant.  

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Healthcare, oh healthcare.  I worked in the industry for over 7 years and in my opinion what people are missing is that it's not healthcare itself that's the issue, it's the bureaucracy and legislation that surrounds it.  I give bonus points to the democrats for at least recognizing there's a problem and trying to fix it, but I subtract those bonus points for their "fix" making the problem even worse.  The key to "fixing" the heath care "problem" goes to tort reform and revising our patent law.  In other words, it is so fundamental to our legal system, that it will unfortunately never happen until the country goes completely bankrupt or until people wake up and fundamentally reform the government.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

Because that particular piece of legislation is written purely to benefit large corporations. Regulation should take force when a company becomes big enough to take advantage of is position in order to push out competition and ideally should only effect those large enough to handle the extra restriction. Unfortunately the American system right now is butt backwards because of the following:

 

 

 

You do realize that any piece of legislation must have equal consideration of the population?  So what you said in your first sentence doesn't really happen.  What happens is what I said some few posts ago, which is that big business is in a much better position withstand government regulations than small business.  Bleeding hearts do seek to enact redistributive laws, which perhaps is what  you're suggesting.

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I think some people in this thread have cause and effect mixed up. The mainstream isn't liberal because the media is liberal. The media is liberal because the mainstream is liberal. News networks chase ratings and they'll broadcast whatever gets the most viewers. The only exception is Fox News but since they're the only conservative network out there they don't have to share their audience whereas all the other do.

The elites are liberal the mainstream is moderate at best. In reality Murdoch who owns fox is not a conservative and truth be told Fox News isn't even a conservative network they constantly trump big government. Fox News is what I call controlled oposition while msnbc is straight propaganda.


But for your comment the mainstream is liberal that's just simply not true.

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The elites are liberal the mainstream is moderate at best. In reality Murdoch who owns fox is not a conservative and truth be told Fox News isn't even a conservative network they constantly trump big government. Fox News is what I call controlled oposition while msnbc is straight propaganda.


But for your comment the mainstream is liberal that's just simply not true.

 

DF has a skewed view of what's happening in the US, not knocking it but Europeans are socialists and the idea that that the US mainstream is liberal is way too easy.  In the US, the mainstream is polarized.  Moderates are squeezed into an every shrinking middle.  Even the neo-Libertarianism movement these days is essentially a new flavor of extreme right wing conservatism.  True Libertarians don't try to regulate freedom of thought for example.  Ironically the ACLU is at it's heart Jefferson Libertarianism although they've taken the concept and distorted it beyond recognition.  If I sound like I have little hope for our country, it's because I don't.  I see the US in 100 years as a socialist state run either by a large crime syndicate or by big business.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

DF has a skewed view of what's happening in the US, not knocking it but Europeans are socialists and the idea that that the US mainstream is liberal is way too easy. In the US, the mainstream is polarized. Moderates are squeezed into an every shrinking middle. Even the neo-Libertarianism movement these days is essentially a new flavor of extreme right wing conservatism. True Libertarians don't try to regulate freedom of thought for example. Ironically the ACLU is at it's heart Jefferson Libertarianism although they've taken the concept and distorted it beyond recognition. If I sound like I have little hope for our country, it's because I don't. I see the US in 100 years as a socialist state run either by a large crime syndicate or by big business.

In 100 years the US will either have broken into a few smaller nations with very different governments or it will have merged with Central America and Canada to form the Notth American Union.

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  If you didn't notice, it's llikely because you agreed.  complied.

fixed.

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.  If I sound like I have little hope for our country, it's because I don't.  I see the US in 100 years as a socialist state run either by a large crime syndicate or by big business.

Too late. It already is.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.







 

DF has a skewed view of what's happening in the US, not knocking it but Europeans are socialists and the idea that that the US mainstream is liberal is way too easy. In the US, the mainstream is polarized. Moderates are squeezed into an every shrinking middle. Even the neo-Libertarianism movement these days is essentially a new flavor of extreme right wing conservatism. True Libertarians don't try to regulate freedom of thought for example. Ironically the ACLU is at it's heart Jefferson Libertarianism although they've taken the concept and distorted it beyond recognition. If I sound like I have little hope for our country, it's because I don't. I see the US in 100 years as a socialist state run either by a large crime syndicate or by big business.

What your referring to is called populist libertarianism and yes it is where many conservatives have flocked to. The key points however of libertarians has a few stark contrast to neo-conservatism mainly being the objecting to a central bank or a federal reserve at all. Libertarian are also in favor of ending illegal narcotics most favor no federal laws against any substance. Libertarians also take issue with anti discrimination laws on the grounds that private industries under a free market are allowed to opperafe without federal interference. Libertarians support equal marriage rights for all consenting adults.


What I'm trying to say is libertarians are big on live and let live it's why many of them like myself have all but left the GOP. The neo global movement is intertwined In the GOP with Bush and even Regan to a point promoting a NWO. That's the libertarians biggest issue we are very anti-nwo

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I know people love to bring up Fox, but it's one network vs. everyone else.  Seriously, it's like Pavlov's dog with you lefties. 

 

If you remove opinion shows from the mix, and focus strictly on their news programming, they probably provide more balance in their reporting than any other network.  Unfortunately, lefties don't focus on that.  They look at the O'Reilly's, Hannity's, and Kelly's of the network and think that's all FNC is.  Even on those shows, despite the views of the host, they still invite libs to participate in discussions.

 

It's not the same when you go to MSNBC or CNN where they bring in faux republicans in order to feign balance.  Heck, MSNBC doesn't even bother with that any more.  They've pretty much gone all in as the Obama News Network where everything is done to defend the president.  There's ZERO news happening there, and their ratings reflect that fact.  CNN isn't much better. 

 

The fact that Jon Stewart is even considered a source for news is a reflection of where we are as a nation when it comes to the education of our younger people.  They think his and Colbert's shows are actually news shows when they're nothing more than comedy skits with news peppered in along with the mandated liberal bias of course.  It just shows how dumbed down we've become as a nation. 

 

Personally, I'll watch any of the news networks with a skeptical eye.  You can tell when spin has begun.  I tend to go more to print media both online and actual print to get my news.  I want to be educated on what's going on in the world, and understand how those things can have an impact on me, my family, and my community.  I also want to know what those who don't share my views think in order to better understand their positions.  So I'll go read Politico or other left leaning sites in order to see what the enemy is in a twist over. 

 

I tend toward the conservative, but you're really going to break your back trying to convince anyone with a brain that Fox News (yes, their news department) isn't as agenda driven as is NBC.

 

When you lead off the news 25 straight days with Bengazi, you're trying to make a point. But at least Sheppard Smith doesn't seem to take himself too seriously.

 

It's pretty simple: Fox News - It's Obama's fault! ABC/NBC/CBS - it's not Obama's fault!

 

For any of them you pretty much know what you're going to be told before you hear it. I think they're all part of Comedy Central.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

I tend toward the conservative, but you're really going to break your back trying to convince anyone with a brain that Fox News (yes, their news department) isn't as agenda driven as is NBC.

 

When you lead off the news 25 straight days with Bengazi, you're trying to make a point. But at least Sheppard Smith doesn't seem to take himself too seriously.

 

It's pretty simple: Fox News - It's Obama's fault! ABC/NBC/CBS - it's not Obama's fault!

 

For any of them you pretty much know what you're going to be told before you hear it. I think they're all part of Comedy Central.

 

None of them are fair or balanced. People that think one or more are just want to hear what they already think. They go about it in different ways. Some ignore events and topics. Some just plain lie and try to insight fervor. 

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I tend toward the conservative

 

....yeah, and I'm Warren Buffett.

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