Henne went over the top at least twice in that second half and came up empty both times, in part due to a drop.

 

It wasn't being conservative.

Twice in a half and I believe those didn't happen until the eagles had come back.

 

It was pretty conservative until the eagles took control of the game and by then it was too late.

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Good analysis in this thread.  It's pretty rare these days to read an agenda free football discussion on this board.

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Our "yutes" are going to have many gaffs, no question, PATIENCE has to be the fan mentality right now, there will be so many highs and lows theses first 8 games, however as the second half of the season starts to unfold any team that just needs a win over our kittens to maybe get in the playoffs will find nothing here but grown a s s JAGUARS

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A good loser is a good loser

Good analysis in this thread.  It's pretty rare these days to read an agenda free football discussion on this board.

+1 agreed

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Because Jaguars is our mantra 

just beat Washington! believe in gus!

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Which brings us back to the problem, Henne is a terrible QB. He has to have everything going right around him in order to be functional. The Jaguars got beat all over the field on Sunday for most of the game and he's not good enough to make up for any of that.

 

Did well enough in the first half, which further proves there was much more wrong than Henne in the second.  He wasn't the primary problem.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Did well enough in the first half, which further proves there was much more wrong than Henne in the second.  He wasn't the primary problem.

 

It's been covered, go back and look at the two TD passes. Neither one was a good throw, Hurns bailed him out twice after the defense set him up.

 

Anyone that watches the replays and thinks differently is lying to their self.

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Good analysis in this thread.  It's pretty rare these days to read an agenda free football discussion on this board.

 

For the most part.  There are still elements here in some responses, but certainly not from Bullseye.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

It's been covered, go back and look at the two TD passes. Neither one was a good throw, Hurns bailed him out twice after the defense set him up.

 

Anyone that watches the replays and thinks differently is lying to their self.

 

Anyone who thinks Henne was the sole or biggest reason we lost is being completely intellectually dishonest.

 

But yeah, if you never wanted Henne to start, would rather he had been cut, etc, etc... sure, that's the only mindset where that false argument would spawn from.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Anyone who thinks Henne was the sole or biggest reason we lost is being completely intellectually dishonest.

 

But yeah, if you never wanted Henne to start, would rather he had been cut, etc, etc... sure, that's the only mindset where that false argument would spawn from.

 

We're arguing about things we'll never know, but put a guy on the field for the Jaguars that actually converts some first downs in the second half and I'm crazy enough to think the Jaguars actually had a shot at winning the game.

 

You can point all over the place and say "it's not all Henne's fault" but good QBs make up for bad play around them, and great QBs carry teams.

 

If Bortles had been in the game I think the Jaguars would have had a real shot at winning.

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We're arguing about things we'll never know, but put a guy on the field for the Jaguars that actually converts some first downs in the second half and I'm crazy enough to think the Jaguars actually had a shot at winning the game.


You can point all over the place and say "it's not all Henne's fault" but good QBs make up for bad play around them, and great QBs carry teams.


If Bortles had been in the game I think the Jaguars would have had a real shot at winning.

Agreed. I'm sick of this fan base accepting mediocrity. Henne sucks, plain and simple. He is not good, nor will he ever be.


I don't know when we'll play BB, but I hope it's sooner than later. We haven't been good since 2007 bc of the QB. We will not win enough games with Henne. If he played the whole year, I see 5-11. Maybe..

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Agreed. I'm sick of this fan base accepting mediocrity. Henne sucks, plain and simple. He is not good, nor will he ever be.


I don't know when we'll play BB, but I hope it's sooner than later. We haven't been good since 2007 bc of the QB. We will not win enough games with Henne. If he played the whole year, I see 5-11. Maybe..

 

The part I don't understand is the mindless backing of him.

 

I will say this, though, when Bortles comes in and the Jaguars suddenly look like a good team I don't expect any of the people peddling Henne right now to backtrack on it, they'll just act like they knew all along that Henne was holding the team down.

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The part I don't understand is the mindless backing of him.

 

I will say this, though, when Bortles comes in and the Jaguars suddenly look like a good team I don't expect any of the people peddling Henne right now to backtrack on it, they'll just act like they knew all along that Henne was holding the team down.

 

  im sure they will say that extra two-four weeks sitting on the bench was the difference.  he would of busted out of the league except for those three or four loses he got to watch on the sidelines with a clipboard.

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We're arguing about things we'll never know, but put a guy on the field for the Jaguars that actually converts some first downs in the second half and I'm crazy enough to think the Jaguars actually had a shot at winning the game.

 

You can point all over the place and say "it's not all Henne's fault" but good QBs make up for bad play around them, and great QBs carry teams.

 

If Bortles had been in the game I think the Jaguars would have had a real shot at winning.

Well...considering it is my argument that possibly an extra 3-4 first downs in this game could minimally have made a 10 point difference...I would agree with your closing statement. It is entirely possible Bortles gets us completions Henne didn't, resulting in those extra first downs.


Truthfully, there are two plays involving Lee I would like back. The first was the quick out to the left on third down right before the blocked FG. Not sure if it was a bad throw, route or both, but if that pass is completed, maybe the team goes in for another score. The dropped deep pass in the 2nd half (in no way Henne's fault), if caught, flips the field, gives us some momentum and takes more time off the clock

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Our "yutes" are going to have many gaffs, no question, PATIENCE has to be the fan mentality right now, there will be so many highs and lows theses first 8 games, however as the second half of the season starts to unfold any team that just needs a win over our kittens to maybe get in the playoffs will find nothing here but grown a s s JAGUARS

I totally disagree with those who are claiming we should be patient.  We all expected to get spanked by the Eagles.  HOWEVER, the team was given a golden egg advantage in the first half.  Fisch was calling aggressive/winning plays and Henne was executing well enough to make it happen.

 

The play calling went Ultra conservative and Henne doesn't know how to check to a pass play when a run play is called with 10 defenders within 5 yards of the LOS.  I really believe that Gus should have ripped Fisch for going conservative.  I also believe that Bortles and Henne are about on par...so...put in the rookie because he obviously has the potential to be better.

 

At this point I really believe the staff is being stubborn with BB and I'm losing respect for their ability to lead every day they hold BB back IMHO.

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I totally disagree with those who are claiming we should be patient.  We all expected to get spanked by the Eagles.  HOWEVER, the team was given a golden egg advantage in the first half.  Fisch was calling aggressive/winning plays and Henne was executing well enough to make it happen.

 

The play calling went Ultra conservative and Henne doesn't know how to check to a pass play when a run play is called with 10 defenders within 5 yards of the LOS.  I really believe that Gus should have ripped Fisch for going conservative.  I also believe that Bortles and Henne are about on par...so...put in the rookie because he obviously has the potential to be better.

 

At this point I really believe the staff is being stubborn with BB and I'm losing respect for their ability to lead every day they hold BB back IMHO.

What was conservative about the second half play calling?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

What was conservative about the second half play calling?

We went to passes later in the game after going into panic mode.  If you rewatch the 1st half you'll see we actually went conservative late in the 1st half going up by 17.

 

Fisch was stubborn calling the run and we ran more times to the right than we did up the middle or to the left combined and had the lowest average (1.5 YPC to the right).  Why in the world would an O-Coord call the most runs to the weakest part of his line?  I don't know but it sure didn't make sense.

 

I will also offer that Beadles is not impressive so who knows...maybe Fisch isn't confident running behind him, nor should he be based on what I saw.

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I totally disagree with those who are claiming we should be patient.  We all expected to get spanked by the Eagles.  HOWEVER, the team was given a golden egg advantage in the first half.  Fisch was calling aggressive/winning plays and Henne was executing well enough to make it happen.

 

 

All good points again, but the missing point here is that the first half offense was benefitting from turnovers and a very short field.  Exceptionally so.  That couldn't possibly be sustained.

 

I agree that the playcalling changed - but the above advantage and later lack thereof made a huge difference. 

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All good points again, but the missing point here is that the first half offense was benefitting from turnovers and a very short field.  Exceptionally so.  That couldn't possibly be sustained.

 

I agree that the playcalling changed - but the above advantage and later lack thereof made a huge difference. 

Agreed, the awesomeness of the 1st half couldn't be sustained.

 

However, there were 8 possessions in the 2nd half and they were miserable obviously.  A team almost has to try hard to be as bad as the Jags were in the 2nd half.  Is the reality that we really aren't improved at all on offense?  If it wasn't for the short field turnovers in the 1st half the O may have put up 3 points only?

 

Sad to think we may really be that bad and the 1st half was a fluke?

 

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter...mebook.pdf

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Agreed, the awesomeness of the 1st half couldn't be sustained.

 

However, there were 8 possessions in the 2nd half and they were miserable obviously.  A team almost has to try hard to be as bad as the Jags were in the 2nd half.  Is the reality that we really aren't improved at all on offense?  If it wasn't for the short field turnovers in the 1st half the O may have put up 3 points only?

 

Sad to think we may really be that bad and the 1st half was a fluke?

 

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter...mebook.pdf

 

Yes the offense in the second half was miserable. It doesn't have to be an indication that we aren't improved on offense, however.  It is definitely an indication that there are young, inexperienced, and patchwork/journeyman players starting on offense though.  Growing pains are to be expected under such conditions. Factor in the consistently inconsistent Henne and the six dropped passes and you have the perfect storm of miserable execution and growing pains that was the 2nd half by our offense.

 

There were at least three crucial failures of execution on O that kept us from staying in the game by the offense. But really it was a combined effort or string of failures as it were.  It made it so seem so contrasting from the first half that it's hard to pinpoint.  But that's as it should be - since it can't truly be pinpointed to one player, play-call or miscue. There were many squandered opportunities. 

 

Still, the offense will likely continue to be very hot and cold for some time until youth, inexperience and patches give way to maturity, veteran-type presence and long term starters. Hopefully that doesn't mean that we may "really be that bad" often. But we probably will be at times.

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