Game logs are wonderful.

 

This is a link to the game log from yesterday's game.

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014090707...u=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000391122&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

 

Pay close attention to the second half possessions.

 

There were five of them before the Eagles took the lead.

 

The first three possessions were 3 and out possessions.  These are the yards gained per first down on those drives:  2, 0, and 0.  These are the 3rd down yards to go on those three possessions:  3rd and 8, 3rd and 10, and 3rd and 10. There were eight passes and one run during that stretch.  The one run went for 2 yards.  Henne was 2-8 for FIVE (5) yards.

 

Just looking at these three possessions tells me a few things:

 

1.  The team did not necessarily go conservative.  An 8-1 pass to run ratio usually can't be described as conservative.  As I have long maintained, ineffective football is not the same as conservative football.

 

2.  When they DID run, it netted 2 yards.

 

3.  Most of the passes were underneath.  The one deep attack was dropped by Lee.  Had Lee caught that pass, it flips the field at least.  If the Jaguars then ran the ball three straight times and not scored at all, at least another 2 minutes or so are taken off the clock and the Eagles likely are saddled with poor field position.  Those last two scores likely never happen, since the Eagles last ten points were scored with less than 2 minutes left, so at worst, we lose 24-17.

 

4.  Had we been able to mount any semblance of a running game, how much shorter would the game have been?  Had we notched another first down or two besides the one described in three that we missed, what else would we have precluded simply by possessing the ball another 4-6 minutes?

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Very well put bullseye. This team didn't get conservative.. They just couldn't make the big plays late. Rookies are gonna struggle. I do wish Henne would quit with some of his dink and dunk passing but to his credit he did throw it beyond 10 yards more than years past.

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i do think Lee and Hurns may both crack 800 yards this season. Some of these young kids are gonna be really good.

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Game logs are wonderful.

 

This is a link to the game log from yesterday's game.

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014090707...u=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000391122&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

 

Pay close attention to the second half possessions.

 

There were five of them before the Eagles took the lead.

 

The first three possessions were 3 and out possessions.  These are the yards gained per first down on those drives:  2, 0, and 0.  These are the 3rd down yards to go on those three possessions:  3rd and 8, 3rd and 10, and 3rd and 10. There were eight passes and one run during that stretch.  The one run went for 2 yards.  Henne was 2-8 for FIVE (5) yards.

 

Just looking at these three possessions tells me a few things:

 

1.  The team did not necessarily go conservative.  An 8-1 pass to run ratio usually can't be described as conservative.  As I have long maintained, ineffective football is not the same as conservative football.

 

2.  When they DID run, it netted 2 yards.

 

3.  Most of the passes were underneath.  The one deep attack was dropped by Lee.  Had Lee caught that pass, it flips the field at least.  If the Jaguars then ran the ball three straight times and not scored at all, at least another 2 minutes or so are taken off the clock and the Eagles likely are saddled with poor field position.  Those last two scores likely never happen, since the Eagles last ten points were scored with less than 2 minutes left, so at worst, we lose 24-17.

 

4.  Had we been able to mount any semblance of a running game, how much shorter would the game have been?  Had we notched another first down or two besides the one described in three that we missed, what else would we have precluded simply by possessing the ball another 4-6 minutes?

 

To sum it up: the Jaguars didn't go conservative, Henne is just a terrible QB. Which is what those of us watching the game without a vested interest in Henne already knew.

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Very well put bullseye. This team didn't get conservative.. They just couldn't make the big plays late. Rookies are gonna struggle. I do wish Henne would quit with some of his dink and dunk passing but to his credit he did throw it beyond 10 yards more than years past.

 

But that's the thing.

 

The "big plays" wouldn't necessarily have to be "big plays."

 

If the team somehow could have mixed in some 4 yard runs in those first three drives and just managed one first down in each of them...even if they don't result in points...it has an effect on field position, the clock, and ultimately the scoreboard.

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To sum it up: the Jaguars didn't go conservative, Henne is just a terrible QB. Which is what those of us watching the game without a vested interest in Henne already knew.

Henne is a bad QB, but being placed in 3rd and 8, 3rd and 10 and 3rd and 10 would be tough for most QBs to overcome. 

 

If you have a bad QB, you need to be able to run the ball to offset his incompetence.

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Henne is a bad QB, but being placed in 3rd and 8, 3rd and 10 and 3rd and 10 would be tough for most QBs to overcome. 

 

If you have a bad QB, you need to be able to run the ball to offset his incompetence.

 

Which brings us back to the problem, Henne is a terrible QB. He has to have everything going right around him in order to be functional. The Jaguars got beat all over the field on Sunday for most of the game and he's not good enough to make up for any of that.

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The big run by sproles didnt help...

 

Tyson Alualu wasnt double covered unlike the DT next to him, which allowed Sprolles it almost looked like Thomas #52 the OLB did a poor job of reading the play and being blocked too easily, and then Josh Evans was simply burned..

wasnt balls fault he came from the other side of the field to try to catch him but wasnt able to...

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Very well put bullseye. This team didn't get conservative.. They just couldn't make the big plays late. Rookies are gonna struggle. I do wish Henne would quit with some of his dink and dunk passing but to his credit he did throw it beyond 10 yards more than years past.

 

That's the problem in offense.   On defense, there were two huge mental errors that resulted in long touchdowns: Prosinski biting on the play action, which resulted in the long TD pass, and J. T. Thomas not calling the right defense (or not calling time out) which resulted in the long TD run.   In both cases, backup players let us down.  

 

They stand on the sideline waiting for the starter to get injured or winded.   Is it too much to ask them to know their job for the few plays they are in there?    If they're not talented enough to start, they at least need to be smart enough to know what to do.  

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You can throw the ball a lot and still be conservative.

 

Fisch tried to counter the lack of a running game by running a lot of screens/bubble screens, quick slants, and quick outs. He tried to grind it out and eat clock with a short passing game and the eagles D covered it well.

 

I think the conservative criticism comes from his play calling drawing the coverage up close, yet he didn't really take advantage of that by baiting them and then going over the top. He just kind of stuck with calling short and intermediate routes.

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ytraM is dead on- that along with Henne's inconsistent accuracy and the O-lines mediocre play did the Jags in.

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You can throw the ball a lot and still be conservative.

 

Fisch tried to counter the lack of a running game by running a lot of screens/bubble screens, quick slants, and quick outs. He tried to grind it out and eat clock with a short passing game and the eagles D covered it well.

 

I think the conservative criticism comes from his play calling drawing the coverage up close, yet he didn't really take advantage of that by baiting them and then going over the top. He just kind of stuck with calling short and intermediate routes.

They also ditched the no huddle to try to eat up more time- after they talked so much about tempo.

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Game logs are wonderful.

 

This is a link to the game log from yesterday's game.

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014090707...u=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000391122&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

 

Pay close attention to the second half possessions.

 

There were five of them before the Eagles took the lead.

 

The first three possessions were 3 and out possessions.  These are the yards gained per first down on those drives:  2, 0, and 0.  These are the 3rd down yards to go on those three possessions:  3rd and 8, 3rd and 10, and 3rd and 10. There were eight passes and one run during that stretch.  The one run went for 2 yards.  Henne was 2-8 for FIVE (5) yards.

 

Just looking at these three possessions tells me a few things:

 

1.  The team did not necessarily go conservative.  An 8-1 pass to run ratio usually can't be described as conservative.  As I have long maintained, ineffective football is not the same as conservative football.

 

2.  When they DID run, it netted 2 yards.

 

3.  Most of the passes were underneath.  The one deep attack was dropped by Lee.  Had Lee caught that pass, it flips the field at least.  If the Jaguars then ran the ball three straight times and not scored at all, at least another 2 minutes or so are taken off the clock and the Eagles likely are saddled with poor field position.  Those last two scores likely never happen, since the Eagles last ten points were scored with less than 2 minutes left, so at worst, we lose 24-17.

 

4.  Had we been able to mount any semblance of a running game, how much shorter would the game have been?  Had we notched another first down or two besides the one described in three that we missed, what else would we have precluded simply by possessing the ball another 4-6 minutes?

 

Henne went down the sideline to Lee twice in the same drive, once with single and the other in double coverage.  In both cases, he had catchable balls that went incomplete.

 

The second drive was all Henne folding up.  He had a batted pass and two errant passes.  Both of the passes were underneath.  The one to Todman looked like he hadn't even turned around yet, and then the one he threw to Brown was a ground ball. 

 

That first drive, and then the subsequent drives showed how little faith they had in getting anything on the ground.  It also showed that Lewis and Todman are not guys who are going to generate a lot of YAC.  You either get them past the marker, or you expect to come up short. 

 

That last drive was disappointing because Henne actually made a couple of fairly difficult passes only to have his receiver let him down.  After the first miss, which would have been a great catch, but if you can get two hands on it, you should be able to haul it in, so I'm still hanging that one on Lee.  The second one in double coverage couldn't have been more catchable, but I think the rookie simply knew the coverage was there and it broke his concentration.

 

This is what happens with young guys out there.  Those drops will eventually become catches. 

 

Hopefully as the line comes together and we start to see more effective run blocking, that will allow us to control the clock and have more manageable down and distances as the season progresses. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

That's the problem in offense.   On defense, there were two huge mental errors that resulted in long touchdowns: Prosinski biting on the play action, which resulted in the long TD pass, and J. T. Thomas not calling the right defense (or not calling time out) which resulted in the long TD run.   In both cases, backup players let us down.  

 

They stand on the sideline waiting for the starter to get injured or winded.   Is it too much to ask them to know their job for the few plays they are in there?    If they're not talented enough to start, they at least need to be smart enough to know what to do.  

Don't forget the TD pass to the TE where both LBs assumed the other would pick him up in coverage so neither did.

 

We basically gave up 21 points on pure mental errors

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Don't forget the TD pass to the TE where both LBs assumed the other would pick him up in coverage so neither did.

 

We basically gave up 21 points on pure mental errors

Agreed.  There's quite a bit to clean up on both sides of the ball, but overall, the team is still headed in the right direction despite the collapse yesterday. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

They also ditched the no huddle to try to eat up more time- after they talked so much about tempo.

True. The offense most definitely looked more effective when they ran the up tempo style.

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Agreed.  There's quite a bit to clean up on both sides of the ball, but overall, the team is still headed in the right direction despite the collapse yesterday. 

It's much easier to overcome mental errors than being outmatched.

 

The offense will still be outmatched at times even if they clean it up. The defense if it cleans up its mistakes can match up with anyone.

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It's much easier to overcome mental errors than being outmatched.

 

The offense will still be outmatched at times even if they clean it up. The defense if it cleans up its mistakes can match up with anyone.

You take what you can get with a team this young.  Things will improve. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Mental errors can be fixed so while frustrating, it is encouraging.  The talent is there.

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You can throw the ball a lot and still be conservative.

 

Fisch tried to counter the lack of a running game by running a lot of screens/bubble screens, quick slants, and quick outs. He tried to grind it out and eat clock with a short passing game and the eagles D covered it well.

 

I think the conservative criticism comes from his play calling drawing the coverage up close, yet he didn't really take advantage of that by baiting them and then going over the top. He just kind of stuck with calling short and intermediate routes.

 

Henne went over the top at least twice in that second half and came up empty both times, in part due to a drop.

 

It wasn't being conservative.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!