Rebuild mode again. new head coach and new coaching staff, new gm, another high draft pick qb.  5 more years of suckiness.

I don't see that.

If we stabilize the QB position-especially with a veteran- this team goes into playoff contention.

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O'Halloran just clarified the "rumor" on 1010XL, and he never indicated that he was told anything.  It was, once again, speculation on his part that has magically turned into a rumor that Debbie Downer is now hiding under his mattress so that mom and dad don't find it when they are in the basement.

poo slung on a wall to see if it sticks huih?

Pretty much.  It's the Ryan O way.

Rebuild mode again. new head coach and new coaching staff, new gm, another high draft pick qb.  5 more years of suckiness.

I don't see that.

If we stabilize the QB position-especially with a veteran- this team goes into playoff contention.

Agreed.  Even efficient, middle of the road QB play catapults this team into the playoff mix in this division assuming the defense gets back to full health, and the offensive line play sorts itself out.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Rebuild mode again. new head coach and new coaching staff, new gm, another high draft pick qb.  5 more years of suckiness.

I don't see that.

If we stabilize the QB position-especially with a veteran- this team goes into playoff contention.

Agreed. I honestly hope that 2017 is the last year Kirk Cousins plays in Washington. I would like to have him here in Jacksonville.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I'm just watching and ignoring the preseason. Can't get too excited or depressed until it really counts. You are always going to hear stories on why people won't coach here. Next thing will be people don't want to move with the team to London because you know that rumor train will brew this season.

If the team plays poorly then people will stew over non-football stuff.

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Tad Dickman says this rumor is false.
Although I saw it also floated on twetterverse that Coughlin liked Watson at 4

Take tweets with a grain of salt... cuz if Tom Coughlin really has the power of the con over Caldwell and Maronne then either he's soft and not using his power or he didn't actually like Watson at 4...

It's all hear say unless you hear it from the horses mouth... instead of "sources" mouth.

The whole unnamable sources thing really is getting old.
If you get news report it, if you got rumors, go gossip with the girls.

O'Halloran just clarified the "rumor" on 1010XL, and he never indicated that he was told anything.  It was, once again, speculation on his part that has magically turned into a rumor that Debbie Downer is now hiding under his mattress so that mom and dad don't find it when they are in the basement.

U ok bro? Don't take everything so personal. 

So you rather me not post any thing Jags related? Relax dude.

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The fact that we didn't bring in any QB competition at all this year makes it more likely to be true in my opinion.  Just because DC said something to the media doesn't mean he was saying the opposite behind closed doors.  It's mind boggling that we didn't even attempt to address the QB situation after Bortles' last year performance.

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The fact that we didn't bring in any QB competition at all this year makes it more likely to be true in my opinion.  Just because DC said something to the media doesn't mean he was saying the opposite behind closed doors.  It's mind boggling that we didn't even attempt to address the QB situation after Bortles' last year performance.

Not just Dave, but it falls on Coughlin too. Another QB should have been brought in and to be honest, it was quite obvious.

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The fact that we didn't bring in any QB competition at all this year makes it more likely to be true in my opinion.  Just because DC said something to the media doesn't mean he was saying the opposite behind closed doors.  It's mind boggling that we didn't even attempt to address the QB situation after Bortles' last year performance.

I'm not sure I buy this.

What veteran would you have brought in that would have definitively fixed the position?

Given the finite number of draft picks, it's entirely possible they liked a QB but went with more immediate needs or the better player.

A rookie would not be expected to compete with Bortles his first year.  As much as Houston liked Watson, right now Savage is the starter.  As much as the Chiefs like Mahomes, right now Smith is the starter.  Denver spent a first round pick on Lynch a couple of years ago, but Simien is the starter.

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The fact that we didn't bring in any QB competition at all this year makes it more likely to be true in my opinion.  Just because DC said something to the media doesn't mean he was saying the opposite behind closed doors.  It's mind boggling that we didn't even attempt to address the QB situation after Bortles' last year performance.

Not just Dave, but it falls on Coughlin too. Another QB should have been brought in and to be honest, it was quite obvious.

Same answer to you.

WHo would you have brought in?

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The fact that we didn't bring in any QB competition at all this year makes it more likely to be true in my opinion.  Just because DC said something to the media doesn't mean he was saying the opposite behind closed doors.  It's mind boggling that we didn't even attempt to address the QB situation after Bortles' last year performance.

Bortles did very well in the last two games once Gus was fired. Maybe that was projected into this season. I, for one, expected that most players would look much better without the Gus culture looming over the team.
 

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

The fact that we didn't bring in any QB competition at all this year makes it more likely to be true in my opinion.  Just because DC said something to the media doesn't mean he was saying the opposite behind closed doors.  It's mind boggling that we didn't even attempt to address the QB situation after Bortles' last year performance.

Bortles did very well in the last two games once Gus was fired. Maybe that was projected into this season. I, for one, expected that most players would look much better without the Gus culture looming over the team.
 

I still expect that overall, even if Bortles doesn't meet those expectations.

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The fact that we didn't bring in any QB competition at all this year makes it more likely to be true in my opinion.  Just because DC said something to the media doesn't mean he was saying the opposite behind closed doors.  It's mind boggling that we didn't even attempt to address the QB situation after Bortles' last year performance.

I'm not sure I buy this.

What veteran would you have brought in that would have definitively fixed the position?

Given the finite number of draft picks, it's entirely possible they liked a QB but went with more immediate needs or the better player.

A rookie would not be expected to compete with Bortles his first year.  As much as Houston liked Watson, right now Savage is the starter.  As much as the Chiefs like Mahomes, right now Smith is the starter.  Denver spent a first round pick on Lynch a couple of years ago, but Simien is the starter

There were plenty of veterans that could've been brought in with higher upside than Chad Henne.  Hoyer, Geno, RG3, Keenum, etc (yeah these names may seem unattractive but it can be argued that Henne is much worse than the guys I've just listed). I think it's kind of clear that they didn't want Bortles to feel like he had to look over his shoulder.

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If coaches were forced to start Blake then why is Henne starting now? I know you want to believe stupidity like that, but clearly it's not the case.

How does this rumor live on the same world as the trying to trade for McCarran world?

Don't rain on Debbie's parade.  These "rumors" are spank material for him.  If anyone says anything positive about the team, Debbie Downer loses all sense of purpose.

It was widely reported that Coughlin wasn't a fan of Bortles (more rumors).  Coughlin is the one who hired the head coach.  I doubt he put any kind of mandate on any candidate to start Bortles, especially now that you've got Bortles on the bench, and the team has been attached to looking with some interest at a QB like McCarron to see if a deal could be made to trade for him.

Had there truly been a situation where the team was "forcing head coaching candidates to start Bortles", that would have been far more widely reported than just some hack on twitter who Debbie Downer follows.  The team made it clear that there were no mandates for candidates other than getting this team back on the winning track regardless of what they needed to do to accomplish that.

Any tweet that starts with "@RyanOhalloran told me..." should be taken with a grain of salt.

As far as Tom and Doug using this benching as a way of distancing themselves from Caldwell, that's just silly.  Any distancing that occurred happened the day Tom was hired to be Dave's boss.  The decisions happening inside that stadium related to football all run through Coughlin, not Caldwell, and I'm pretty sure Tom couldn't care less about what Dave thinks about the moves he's making.  He has a mandate, and he answers directly to the owner.

Just to add to your post, Coughlin has been a head coach and he himself would never bow to pressure from above to start a certain player, nor would he allow anyone to tell him how to coach, who to play or what plays to run...As a former HC, I really don't believe Coughlin is stepping on Marrone's toes by dictating the things mentioned above...Coughlin is known as a micro manager, but he knows it's not his job to make such decisions...Marrone has been watching Bortles struggle and therefore created this QB competition to figure out which QB gives us the best chance of winning...

While Coughlin wasn't a fan of Bortles when he was hired, it didn't take long for him to see that Bortles is struggling, Chad Henne isn't the long term answer at QB and there really wasn't any better option to bring in as QB, and he won't turn loose of draft picks to pick up a stop gap for one year, only to draft the future next year...

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I'm not sure I buy this.

What veteran would you have brought in that would have definitively fixed the position?

Given the finite number of draft picks, it's entirely possible they liked a QB but went with more immediate needs or the better player.

A rookie would not be expected to compete with Bortles his first year.  As much as Houston liked Watson, right now Savage is the starter.  As much as the Chiefs like Mahomes, right now Smith is the starter.  Denver spent a first round pick on Lynch a couple of years ago, but Simien is the starter

There were plenty of veterans that could've been brought in with higher upside than Chad Henne.  Hoyer, Geno, RG3, Keenum, etc (yeah these names may seem unattractive but it can be argued that Henne is much worse than the guys I've just listed). I think it's kind of clear that they didn't want Bortles to feel like he had to look over his shoulder.

Of that list, I think only RGIII would have had demonstrably more upside than Henne, and as it stands now, he is still unemployed.

You may be right they wanted Bortles to feel secure.  I think it's more likely that:

a.  They thought they could get a Bortles closer to 2015 than 2016 and could get the most out of him;

b.  they didn't see a more viable alternative, either in free agency or the draft.

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There were plenty of veterans that could've been brought in with higher upside than Chad Henne.  Hoyer, Geno, RG3, Keenum, etc (yeah these names may seem unattractive but it can be argued that Henne is much worse than the guys I've just listed). I think it's kind of clear that they didn't want Bortles to feel like he had to look over his shoulder.

Of that list, I think only RGIII would have had demonstrably more upside than Henne, and as it stands now, he is still unemployed.

You may be right they wanted Bortles to feel secure.  I think it's more likely that:

a.  They thought they could get a Bortles closer to 2015 than 2016 and could get the most out of him;

b.  they didn't see a more viable alternative, either in free agency or the draft.

 
I'm not sure how you don't see those QB's as better than Henne.  And you're right RG3 is available right now as we speak and we've never even reached out to him or any other QB's for a workout (maybe we worked out some UDFA's but I'm not sure).  Agree to disagree, I guess.

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Of that list, I think only RGIII would have had demonstrably more upside than Henne, and as it stands now, he is still unemployed.

You may be right they wanted Bortles to feel secure.  I think it's more likely that:

a.  They thought they could get a Bortles closer to 2015 than 2016 and could get the most out of him;

b.  they didn't see a more viable alternative, either in free agency or the draft.

 
I'm not sure how you don't see those QB's as better than Henne.  And you're right RG3 is available right now as we speak and we've never even reached out to him or any other QB's for a workout (maybe we worked out some UDFA's but I'm not sure).  Agree to disagree, I guess.

Given my recent record on Bortles, even I might be inclined to bet with you!  

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The fact that we didn't bring in any QB competition at all this year makes it more likely to be true in my opinion.  Just because DC said something to the media doesn't mean he was saying the opposite behind closed doors.  It's mind boggling that we didn't even attempt to address the QB situation after Bortles' last year performance.

Bortles did very well in the last two games once Gus was fired. Maybe that was projected into this season. I, for one, expected that most players would look much better without the Gus culture looming over the team.
 

So much for the myth of "culture". No sure anyone really knows what that means.

It seems to be a go to word to use when no facts are available.

Better players (especially a QB) and coaching make for a better culture. If the Jags had a better QB Gus' "culture" would have been fine.

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There were plenty of veterans that could've been brought in with higher upside than Chad Henne.  Hoyer, Geno, RG3, Keenum, etc (yeah these names may seem unattractive but it can be argued that Henne is much worse than the guys I've just listed). I think it's kind of clear that they didn't want Bortles to feel like he had to look over his shoulder.

Of that list, I think only RGIII would have had demonstrably more upside than Henne, and as it stands now, he is still unemployed.

You may be right they wanted Bortles to feel secure.  I think it's more likely that:

a.  They thought they could get a Bortles closer to 2015 than 2016 and could get the most out of him;

b.  they didn't see a more viable alternative, either in free agency or the draft.

Heck I don't see any viable alternatives anywhere right now.  The draft was not a QB friendly class and free agency was awful.  I laugh at the Kaep seekers.  The guy was down to being coached for a single read.

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There were plenty of veterans that could've been brought in with higher upside than Chad Henne.  Hoyer, Geno, RG3, Keenum, etc (yeah these names may seem unattractive but it can be argued that Henne is much worse than the guys I've just listed). I think it's kind of clear that they didn't want Bortles to feel like he had to look over his shoulder.

Of that list, I think only RGIII would have had demonstrably more upside than Henne, and as it stands now, he is still unemployed.

You may be right they wanted Bortles to feel secure.  I think it's more likely that:

a.  They thought they could get a Bortles closer to 2015 than 2016 and could get the most out of him;

b.  they didn't see a more viable alternative, either in free agency or the draft.

I would have liked them to pick up Hoyer. A HOFer? No, but a professional QB who would have helped the Jaguars tremendously.

But it will be interesting to see if Henne can up his game with an improved roster.

What if Henne plays reasonable well in 2017. What would the Jags do about his contract/salary?

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Of that list, I think only RGIII would have had demonstrably more upside than Henne, and as it stands now, he is still unemployed.

You may be right they wanted Bortles to feel secure.  I think it's more likely that:

a.  They thought they could get a Bortles closer to 2015 than 2016 and could get the most out of him;

b.  they didn't see a more viable alternative, either in free agency or the draft.

Heck I don't see any viable alternatives anywhere right now.  The draft was not a QB friendly class and free agency was awful.  I laugh at the Kaep seekers.  The guy was down to being coached for a single read.

Trubisky, Mahomes, and Kizer have all looked fine.  I'm not sure why you're saying the draft wasn't QB friendly.  Not to mention that Kizer could've been a realistic target for us.

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Coughlin and Marrone were hired in tandem, and announced on the same day.

I highly doubt Coughlin mandated anything in regards to the coaching search.

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