The only way they take Tua is trading Haskins. No way both are on the team together. Rosen went for a (late) 2nd and 5th the year after being drafted in the 1st rd

True... But AZ moved him a year after drafting Kyler right? Sitting on that draft capital for a year seems like a waste to me.

No. They moved him the same year. During the same draft.

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Just about everyone has penciled in Chase Young to the Redskins.

What if they go for Tua? Detroit at #3 is in the driver's seat with both Miami and the Chargers wanting the last top-level QB, and will undoubtedly take the resulting trade bounty. That's the only scenario where I'd want the Jags to trade Ngakoue + #9 for #4, i.e. to draft Young. True, the Giants could just draft Young at #4, but by making the trade they get both their edge rusher plus a top OT.

I just don't see why the Skins would go for Tua. I think it's pre draft talking fluff that has no merit and holds no water.
Sure, Haskins isn't Rivera's guy... but he acquired Kyle Allen from the Panthers. He has a young prospect who showed some promise at the end of the year with Haskins. And still has the veteran Alex Smith who has stated he wants to play.
With maybe little to no off season OTAs and TC taking ANOTHER young QB seems silly to me when the Skins definitely could use a franchise pass rusher or OL help.
Add to it that if Tua is the guy here with his medical/injury issues and the lack of solid OL play last season it just screams disaster. I would hope Rivera is smarter than that.

I agree with you except for your last sentence.  I hope he's not smarter than that.

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I just don't see why the Skins would go for Tua. I think it's pre draft talking fluff that has no merit and holds no water.
Sure, Haskins isn't Rivera's guy... but he acquired Kyle Allen from the Panthers. He has a young prospect who showed some promise at the end of the year with Haskins. And still has the veteran Alex Smith who has stated he wants to play.
With maybe little to no off season OTAs and TC taking ANOTHER young QB seems silly to me when the Skins definitely could use a franchise pass rusher or OL help.
Add to it that if Tua is the guy here with his medical/injury issues and the lack of solid OL play last season it just screams disaster. I would hope Rivera is smarter than that.

I agree with you except for your last sentence.  I hope he's not smarter than that.

He's obviously got a QB in mind since he's no Haskins fan. Allen was brought in as a placeholder who's familiar with the playbook. I think Herbert will be their guy. He's big and mobile like Cam. Or they'll trade down and try to nab Jordan Love. Chase Young will go to the Ligers. Okudah will fall to the Panthers or Jags.

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https://twitter.com/profootball411/statu...34435?s=21

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

An hour ago the Football 411 released a mock where we pass on Simmons and take Kinlaw so apparently he doesn't even believe his own rumor

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An hour ago the Football 411 released a mock where we pass on Simmons and take Kinlaw so apparently he doesn't even believe his own rumor

I think we take Brown or Kinlaw, depending on who is available at 9.

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An hour ago the Football 411 released a mock where we pass on Simmons and take Kinlaw so apparently he doesn't even believe his own rumor

I think we take Brown or Kinlaw, depending on who is available at 9.

Nah. I think they want to build an offense around Minshew. They created a smokescreen about the O-line being set. Gruden wants some help (he's pushing for Dalton), Marrone said he's greedy for more weapons, and Dave would be foolish not to take Thomas/Wirfs (unless Okudah drops). 

LT > DT (unless it's Aaron Donald & that's neither Kinlaw nor Brown)

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"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/12495...89856?s=21

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/12495...89856?s=21

If we draft Wirfs and he does ends up like a bust like I think I might have to go kick Caldwell's [BLEEP]

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I think we take Brown or Kinlaw, depending on who is available at 9.

Nah. I think they want to build an offense around Minshew. They created a smokescreen about the O-line being set. Gruden wants some help (he's pushing for Dalton), Marrone said he's greedy for more weapons, and Dave would be foolish not to take Thomas/Wirfs (unless Okudah drops). 

LT > DT (unless it's Aaron Donald & that's neither Kinlaw nor Brown)

I don't think Gruden is pushing for Dalton. Yeah he is familiar with him, but that is about it.

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I think we take Brown or Kinlaw, depending on who is available at 9.

Nah. I think they want to build an offense around Minshew. They created a smokescreen about the O-line being set. Gruden wants some help (he's pushing for Dalton), Marrone said he's greedy for more weapons, and Dave would be foolish not to take Thomas/Wirfs (unless Okudah drops). 

LT > DT (unless it's Aaron Donald & that's neither Kinlaw nor Brown)

What was our biggest need going into the offseason?  What was our biggest weakness last season?   Stopping the run.   Want to improve the offense?  Get the ball back from the other team.  We cannot get the ball back from the other team if we cannot stop the run.  Why did we lose 5 games in a row in the middle of the season?  We couldn't stop the run.  Have we made enough moves so far this offseason to stop the run?  I don't think so.  That's why I think after all the mock drafts, and all the to and fro about who we will draft at 9, when it's time for our pick, we will find out everyone's original thought was correct.   Our first pick will be either Brown or Kinlaw.

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Nah. I think they want to build an offense around Minshew. They created a smokescreen about the O-line being set. Gruden wants some help (he's pushing for Dalton), Marrone said he's greedy for more weapons, and Dave would be foolish not to take Thomas/Wirfs (unless Okudah drops). 

LT > DT (unless it's Aaron Donald & that's neither Kinlaw nor Brown)

What was our biggest need going into the offseason?  What was our biggest weakness last season?   Stopping the run.   Want to improve the offense?  Get the ball back from the other team.  We cannot get the ball back from the other team if we cannot stop the run.  Why did we lose 5 games in a row in the middle of the season?  We couldn't stop the run.  Have we made enough moves so far this offseason to stop the run?  I don't think so.  That's why I think after all the mock drafts, and all the to and fro about who we will draft at 9, when it's time for our pick, we will find out everyone's original thought was correct.   Our first pick will be either Brown or Kinlaw.

Al Woods is a very good run defender. You can draft very good run defenders in the middle rounds, in fact that's where the evidence says they should be taken. If you're taking a defensive lineman top 10 he better rush the passer exceptionally well. Brown does not do that and Kinlaw sometimes does, and has the physical ability to do so frequently, but also has long stretches of doing nothing.

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What was our biggest need going into the offseason?  What was our biggest weakness last season?   Stopping the run.   Want to improve the offense?  Get the ball back from the other team.  We cannot get the ball back from the other team if we cannot stop the run.  Why did we lose 5 games in a row in the middle of the season?  We couldn't stop the run.  Have we made enough moves so far this offseason to stop the run?  I don't think so.  That's why I think after all the mock drafts, and all the to and fro about who we will draft at 9, when it's time for our pick, we will find out everyone's original thought was correct.   Our first pick will be either Brown or Kinlaw.

Al Woods is a very good run defender. You can draft very good run defenders in the middle rounds, in fact that's where the evidence says they should be taken. If you're taking a defensive lineman top 10 he better rush the passer exceptionally well. Brown does not do that and Kinlaw sometimes does, and has the physical ability to do so frequently, but also has long stretches of doing nothing.

If we trade back to 14-15, then Kinlaw makes a ton of sense. If we stay at 9, you take the best player, and the consensus seems to be that Brown is just a better player than Kinlaw, even if he won't regularly be in the QB's face. There's a lot riding here on what the coaching staff thinks of Taven Bryan's development and where they think he plays. If he stays inside, maybe DT isn't as big a priority. If he's destined to move outside to replace Calais with Allen on the other side replacing Yan, then you definitely need to add a tackle early. However it happens, the team's going to have to address the DL early after shedding Campbell, Dareus and (presumably) Ngakoue. Gunter's more or less and unknown and Woods is just a guy who happens to be turning 33 in a month.

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To be clear, I'm not taking either one at 9. There will be 2-3 players guaranteed to be on the board that I like more than either one.

I am starting to feel more and more like Henderson is going to be given a lot of consideration at 9.

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To be clear, I'm not taking either one at 9. There will be 2-3 players guaranteed to be on the board that I like more than either one.

I am starting to feel more and more like Henderson is going to be given a lot of consideration at 9.

Two quotes from Peter King's column (who has us taking Simmons):

But how about this counter-culture idea from one smart GM on Saturday: “I bet 40 percent of the teams in the league have C.J. Henderson higher on their boards than Okudah. Better cover guy.”

Top-five GM poker-player in the league: Tom Telesco. (So you ask: Who is the top one? Easy. Jacksonville’s Dave Caldwell, who keeps the Jags’ picks from his wife.)

Personally, I hope they take Brown at #9.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

But how about this counter-culture idea from one smart GM on Saturday: “I bet 40 percent of the teams in the league have C.J. Henderson higher on their boards than Okudah. Better cover guy.”

One smart GM who picks in the 7-9 range and would love for Okudah to fall a few extra spots.

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To be clear, I'm not taking either one at 9. There will be 2-3 players guaranteed to be on the board that I like more than either one.

I am starting to feel more and more like Henderson is going to be given a lot of consideration at 9.

Two quotes from Peter King's column (who has us taking Simmons):

But how about this counter-culture idea from one smart GM on Saturday: “I bet 40 percent of the teams in the league have C.J. Henderson higher on their boards than Okudah. Better cover guy.”

Top-five GM poker-player in the league: Tom Telesco. (So you ask: Who is the top one? Easy. Jacksonville’s Dave Caldwell, who keeps the Jags’ picks from his wife.)

Personally, I hope they take Brown at #9.

If I recall correctly, I believe Okudah is vastly superior in zone coverage, which would seem to make him the better prospect for the Jaguars defense if forced to choose.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

“The Bucs and Broncos, I’ve heard, could be going up for one of the top four linemen ([Mekhi] Becton, Jedrick Wills, Tristan Wirfs and Andrew Thomas), making Jacksonville’s slot, at No. 9, a potential hotspot, given the needs the Browns and Jets have at 10 and 11,” Breer wrote on Monday.

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“The Bucs and Broncos, I’ve heard, could be going up for one of the top four linemen ([Mekhi] Becton, Jedrick Wills, Tristan Wirfs and Andrew Thomas), making Jacksonville’s slot, at No. 9, a potential hotspot, given the needs the Browns and Jets have at 10 and 11,” Breer wrote on Monday.

I wouldn’t hate that, but it’d have to be their second rounder coming back to us.

Id be happy with one of Brown, Kinlaw, Jones or Henderson at 14-15. Henderson preferred. Could maybe even then trade up a couple spots from 20 using one of the fourths to get another player from that list if they’ve fallen.

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https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status...41702?s=21

Not Jags specific but related to a player who’s been mocked to the Jags plenty at 20. It looks like if they want him, they may have to use #9 to get him.

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