When are those on the left going to realize that your politicians are every bit as bad as Trump? At least Trump is not polished enough to fake it. We know who he is.

Hillary is a VERY influential person in the Democratic party, and she is saying Biden should not concede under ANY circumstance. I can't imagine the political fallout that would occur if a Republican said that. All hell broke loose in 2016 when Trump said he would wait and see if he would concede based on the circumstances. The democrats are actively working in every swing state to have universal mail in voting. It's the least secure way to vote. Even if Trump wins, it's a guaranteed controversy. Guaranteed. Thousands of mail in votes are going to be thrown out. It won't matter if they are incorrectly filled out, because the narrative will be voter suppression. The same "2 weeks" that were used for Corona will be used for this election. It is going to drag on for months. Guaranteed. This will end up in the courts.

If you're not prepared to concede under these circumstances, why would you ask the other party to be prepared to concede? It's nonsensical.

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Yes, they are ... Unless you think their failure to at least try to stop the nightly rioting isn't dividing the country. Do you condone the democratic failure to stop the violence? No, you blame someone else.

They literally tell the police to let it happen... it's a misguided, stupid attempt to try to make Trump bad.

Yet... not one republican city has rioted.

There were riots in Jacksonville...

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Seems a good spot for this.

It's a tempest in a teapot.
Election nerds like me are used to watching vote totals go up through the night, and watch the number of precincts reporting.  Absentee and mail in ballots usually aren't discussed.  This election, the reporters are going to have to report the same numbers, but also report "mail in ballots left to count" so that everyone has an idea if the counting is close to over or not.
If everyone can see that the winner's lead is greater than the number of ballots that are left to count, they will understand that the counting is not over.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

It is weird seeing fuzzy foreigners so interested in our elections.

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Hey my Q-anon, racism doesn't exist, Trump is the best president ever, folks (look I am just teasing I am sure you all are very good people on the inside) 

I come with a simple question: 
Will you accept the results the election if Trump loses? Will you ensure the peaceful transfer of power that ensures us from not becoming a banana republic? Sure, you're allowed to be angry, you're allowed to be skeptical, but there's a difference between that, and actually creating violence or extreme vitriol. 

I gave Bush a chance, Obama a chance, even Trump a chance to prove me wrong, will you even give Biden a sliver of a shot? Will you be apart of the division in our country? 

I will pledge, If Trump wins, I won't seek to divide, I will still post articles from MSM (which is literally every news outlet we deemed to be good just 5 years ago, wait you know what I take that back, I probably won't post on this section of the board at all, ) but I won't seek to divide our country even further, I am sure that doesn't matter to many of you, but hopefully it does to some. 

So will you support the peaceful transfer of power?

the lack of self awareness from modern progressives is just flat out astounding.

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Hey my Q-anon, racism doesn't exist, Trump is the best president ever, folks (look I am just teasing I am sure you all are very good people on the inside) 

I come with a simple question: 
Will you accept the results the election if Trump loses? Will you ensure the peaceful transfer of power that ensures us from not becoming a banana republic? Sure, you're allowed to be angry, you're allowed to be skeptical, but there's a difference between that, and actually creating violence or extreme vitriol. 

I gave Bush a chance, Obama a chance, even Trump a chance to prove me wrong, will you even give Biden a sliver of a shot? Will you be apart of the division in our country? 

I will pledge, If Trump wins, I won't seek to divide, I will still post articles from MSM (which is literally every news outlet we deemed to be good just 5 years ago, wait you know what I take that back, I probably won't post on this section of the board at all, ) but I won't seek to divide our country even further, I am sure that doesn't matter to many of you, but hopefully it does to some. 

So will you support the peaceful transfer of power?

the lack of self awareness from modern progressives is just flat out astounding.

Its not lack if self awareness, its disingenuousness as a political strategy.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

the lack of self awareness from modern progressives is just flat out astounding.

Its not lack if self awareness, its disingenuousness as a political strategy.

Im not sure mojo is that calculating.  I think he literally believes the things he types

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LOL.     If Biden wins.    

The only way Biden wins is if the democrat party is successful at stealing the election through mail in ballots (what they are working on).

So that's a no? Sad!

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Since I hate both options and have no loyalty to either party, I could care less who wins. Either way, America loses. I also have no idea how this election is gonna go, but my gut tells me Trump is gonna pull it out. Biden keeps making more gaffes, leaving people to wonder if he has all his wits about him and undecided voters hate Kamala Harris, (at least in middle America, where I live.) The thought of another four years of Trump makes me physically ill, but the Democrats once again, failed to provide any kind of decent option. This is why I hate politics and the two party system. This election should be themed, evil vs. stupidity.

How do we get better options?

Give us some diverse candidates. I remember watching a Democratic primary early on, when there was like 22 candidates. They were asked about completely banning semi automatic rifles and every last one of them said they would. That is not diversity. That is following the party line. Bring in someone who thinks differently on at least some issues. Whether Democrats choose to accept this or not, the reason Trump got elected was because he openly defied some of the Republican platform during his campaign. He stood out among the other candidates he was running against. Middle America likes people who "buck" the system. They don't want another "worker drone" who goes out there and does what they are told. It even happens in sports and entertainment as well. When I was young, I remember the character of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin being by far, the most popular wrestler on the planet. That character was walked the line between babyface and heel and he spoke his mind whether the fans liked it or not. Since then, other public figures have followed that formula and have been wildly successful. Like it or not, that's what Trump did and it got him elected, despite his obvious lack of morals and mental disorders. 

The Democrats continuously trot out the same candidates over and over again. They all tow the party line and agree on the same issues, no matter if there is two candidates in the primary or 22. They are all the same. There is no diversity at all. In each of those early primaries where there were so many candidates, they still all agreed on nearly every single thing. They may have told of different ways of dealing with the issue, but they still spouted the same old "shpeal." That is when I realized the Democrats were in trouble. They never learn from history. They need to start pushing more diverse thinkers if they wanna win elections. They need to start listening to the Independent and "on the fence" voters in middle America instead of solely relying on east and west coast liberals who were always gonna vote Democrat anyway. Bring out a candidate who openly opposes some of the opinions of the other people on the stage. Few people actually are completely liberal or completely conservative, but those are the ones with the loudest voices. They need to see through that and offer something different. Until that happens, we'll be stuck with the Trump's of the world.

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Does “accept” prohibit endless investigations and calls for impeachment at everything I don’t like?

Hyperbole is fun. Did you read Mueller's report, or know anything about Trump's past?

It isn’t hyperbole if it actually happened.

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Its not lack if self awareness, its disingenuousness as a political strategy.

Im not sure mojo is that calculating.  I think he literally believes the things he types

I don't think he's a Prog, just a useful idiot Dem.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

They literally tell the police to let it happen... it's a misguided, stupid attempt to try to make Trump bad.

Yet... not one republican city has rioted.

There were riots in Jacksonville...

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Seems a good spot for this.

It's a tempest in a teapot.
Election nerds like me are used to watching vote totals go up through the night, and watch the number of precincts reporting.  Absentee and mail in ballots usually aren't discussed.  This election, the reporters are going to have to report the same numbers, but also report "mail in ballots left to count" so that everyone has an idea if the counting is close to over or not.
If everyone can see that the winner's lead is greater than the number of ballots that are left to count, they will understand that the counting is not over.

But wait!  In 2008 prominent democrats wanted to discount absentee ballots in Florida because they did not arrive on time, even though the date stamp indicated they were submitted on time.  How do you propose this should be handled in 2020 with a whole lot less security involved in ballot integrity?

As far as riots in Jacksonville, one night and it was quelled.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Of course I'll accept it, what other choice does anyone really have? Will there be protest and up-rest either way, I'm pretty sure for a few weeks there will be protest and " NOT MY PRESIDENT " hyperbole from either losing side. As I see it no one is winning this election, both options are bad. Trump maybe the lesser of bad options but only because Biden is a puppet for the socialist movement.

I won't be celebrating either way on Nov 5th, instead I'll remain steadfast on the same long term goals I have set forth for my family the last 10 years, self sufficiency. Anyone that doesn't see this whole social experiment coming to a crashing end in the near future is crazy. Empires fall from within and we certainly are heading that course full speed ahead.

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Of course I'll accept it, what other choice does anyone really have? Will there be protest and up-rest either way, I'm pretty sure for a few weeks there will be protest and " NOT MY PRESIDENT " hyperbole from either losing side. As I see it no one is winning this election, both options are bad. Trump maybe the lesser of bad options but only because Biden is a puppet for the socialist movement.

I won't be celebrating either way on Nov 5th, instead I'll remain steadfast on the same long term goals I have set forth for my family the last 10 years, self sufficiency. Anyone that doesn't see this whole social experiment coming to a crashing end in the near future is crazy. Empires fall from within and we certainly are heading that course full speed ahead.

+1

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

So that's a no? Sad!

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How do we get better options?

Give us some diverse candidates. I remember watching a Democratic primary early on, when there was like 22 candidates. They were asked about completely banning semi automatic rifles and every last one of them said they would. That is not diversity. That is following the party line. Bring in someone who thinks differently on at least some issues. Whether Democrats choose to accept this or not, the reason Trump got elected was because he openly defied some of the Republican platform during his campaign. He stood out among the other candidates he was running against. Middle America likes people who "buck" the system. They don't want another "worker drone" who goes out there and does what they are told. It even happens in sports and entertainment as well. When I was young, I remember the character of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin being by far, the most popular wrestler on the planet. That character was walked the line between babyface and heel and he spoke his mind whether the fans liked it or not. Since then, other public figures have followed that formula and have been wildly successful. Like it or not, that's what Trump did and it got him elected, despite his obvious lack of morals and mental disorders. 

The Democrats continuously trot out the same candidates over and over again. They all tow the party line and agree on the same issues, no matter if there is two candidates in the primary or 22. They are all the same. There is no diversity at all. In each of those early primaries where there were so many candidates, they still all agreed on nearly every single thing. They may have told of different ways of dealing with the issue, but they still spouted the same old "shpeal." That is when I realized the Democrats were in trouble. They never learn from history. They need to start pushing more diverse thinkers if they wanna win elections. They need to start listening to the Independent and "on the fence" voters in middle America instead of solely relying on east and west coast liberals who were always gonna vote Democrat anyway. Bring out a candidate who openly opposes some of the opinions of the other people on the stage. Few people actually are completely liberal or completely conservative, but those are the ones with the loudest voices. They need to see through that and offer something different. Until that happens, we'll be stuck with the Trump's of the world.

I agree with most of what you're saying.  The Stone Cold comparison is dead-on, in terms of gaining popularity by breaking the mold. That is what Trump did.  Trump literally wrestled in the ring, and they didn't even make him oil up his chest first. That tells you about his power as a showman.
That said, the syncophantic organization he took over persists, and remains syncophantic around him, rather than its old heroes and old beliefs. Unfortunately, Trump won't be on the ballot in 2022 or 2024 so they'll have to figure out what their platform is without him.
Parties are synchophants by nature. Can we change that? Or can we get new parties? Is either possible? How could we make it happen, if so?

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Of course I'll accept it, what other choice does anyone really have? Will there be protest and up-rest either way, I'm pretty sure for a few weeks there will be protest and " NOT MY PRESIDENT " hyperbole from either losing side. As I see it no one is winning this election, both options are bad. Trump maybe the lesser of bad options but only because Biden is a puppet for the socialist movement.

I won't be celebrating either way on Nov 5th, instead I'll remain steadfast on the same long term goals I have set forth for my family the last 10 years, self sufficiency. Anyone that doesn't see this whole social experiment coming to a crashing end in the near future is crazy. Empires fall from within and we certainly are heading that course full speed ahead.

If massive numbers of people go on a quest for self sufficiency, the society, the webs of interdependence, starts to fall apart anyways.  It's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Give us some diverse candidates. I remember watching a Democratic primary early on, when there was like 22 candidates. They were asked about completely banning semi automatic rifles and every last one of them said they would. That is not diversity. That is following the party line. Bring in someone who thinks differently on at least some issues. Whether Democrats choose to accept this or not, the reason Trump got elected was because he openly defied some of the Republican platform during his campaign. He stood out among the other candidates he was running against. Middle America likes people who "buck" the system. They don't want another "worker drone" who goes out there and does what they are told. It even happens in sports and entertainment as well. When I was young, I remember the character of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin being by far, the most popular wrestler on the planet. That character was walked the line between babyface and heel and he spoke his mind whether the fans liked it or not. Since then, other public figures have followed that formula and have been wildly successful. Like it or not, that's what Trump did and it got him elected, despite his obvious lack of morals and mental disorders. 

The Democrats continuously trot out the same candidates over and over again. They all tow the party line and agree on the same issues, no matter if there is two candidates in the primary or 22. They are all the same. There is no diversity at all. In each of those early primaries where there were so many candidates, they still all agreed on nearly every single thing. They may have told of different ways of dealing with the issue, but they still spouted the same old "shpeal." That is when I realized the Democrats were in trouble. They never learn from history. They need to start pushing more diverse thinkers if they wanna win elections. They need to start listening to the Independent and "on the fence" voters in middle America instead of solely relying on east and west coast liberals who were always gonna vote Democrat anyway. Bring out a candidate who openly opposes some of the opinions of the other people on the stage. Few people actually are completely liberal or completely conservative, but those are the ones with the loudest voices. They need to see through that and offer something different. Until that happens, we'll be stuck with the Trump's of the world.

I agree with most of what you're saying.  The Stone Cold comparison is dead-on, in terms of gaining popularity by breaking the mold. That is what Trump did.  Trump literally wrestled in the ring, and they didn't even make him oil up his chest first. That tells you about his power as a showman.
That said, the syncophantic organization he took over persists, and remains syncophantic around him, rather than its old heroes and old beliefs. Unfortunately, Trump won't be on the ballot in 2022 or 2024 so they'll have to figure out what their platform is without him.
Parties are synchophants by nature. Can we change that? Or can we get new parties? Is either possible? How could we make it happen, if so?

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Of course I'll accept it, what other choice does anyone really have? Will there be protest and up-rest either way, I'm pretty sure for a few weeks there will be protest and " NOT MY PRESIDENT " hyperbole from either losing side. As I see it no one is winning this election, both options are bad. Trump maybe the lesser of bad options but only because Biden is a puppet for the socialist movement.

I won't be celebrating either way on Nov 5th, instead I'll remain steadfast on the same long term goals I have set forth for my family the last 10 years, self sufficiency. Anyone that doesn't see this whole social experiment coming to a crashing end in the near future is crazy. Empires fall from within and we certainly are heading that course full speed ahead.

If massive numbers of people go on a quest for self sufficiency, the society, the webs of interdependence, starts to fall apart anyways.  It's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Self sufficiency isnt the same as isolationism.

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Give us some diverse candidates. I remember watching a Democratic primary early on, when there was like 22 candidates. They were asked about completely banning semi automatic rifles and every last one of them said they would. That is not diversity. That is following the party line. Bring in someone who thinks differently on at least some issues. Whether Democrats choose to accept this or not, the reason Trump got elected was because he openly defied some of the Republican platform during his campaign. He stood out among the other candidates he was running against. Middle America likes people who "buck" the system. They don't want another "worker drone" who goes out there and does what they are told. It even happens in sports and entertainment as well. When I was young, I remember the character of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin being by far, the most popular wrestler on the planet. That character was walked the line between babyface and heel and he spoke his mind whether the fans liked it or not. Since then, other public figures have followed that formula and have been wildly successful. Like it or not, that's what Trump did and it got him elected, despite his obvious lack of morals and mental disorders. 

The Democrats continuously trot out the same candidates over and over again. They all tow the party line and agree on the same issues, no matter if there is two candidates in the primary or 22. They are all the same. There is no diversity at all. In each of those early primaries where there were so many candidates, they still all agreed on nearly every single thing. They may have told of different ways of dealing with the issue, but they still spouted the same old "shpeal." That is when I realized the Democrats were in trouble. They never learn from history. They need to start pushing more diverse thinkers if they wanna win elections. They need to start listening to the Independent and "on the fence" voters in middle America instead of solely relying on east and west coast liberals who were always gonna vote Democrat anyway. Bring out a candidate who openly opposes some of the opinions of the other people on the stage. Few people actually are completely liberal or completely conservative, but those are the ones with the loudest voices. They need to see through that and offer something different. Until that happens, we'll be stuck with the Trump's of the world.

I agree with most of what you're saying.  The Stone Cold comparison is dead-on, in terms of gaining popularity by breaking the mold. That is what Trump did.  Trump literally wrestled in the ring, and they didn't even make him oil up his chest first. That tells you about his power as a showman.
That said, the syncophantic organization he took over persists, and remains syncophantic around him, rather than its old heroes and old beliefs. Unfortunately, Trump won't be on the ballot in 2022 or 2024 so they'll have to figure out what their platform is without him.
Parties are synchophants by nature. Can we change that? Or can we get new parties? Is either possible? How could we make it happen, if so?

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Don Jr. (Uday) could be on the ballot in 2024 and the nightmare would start all over again. I wouldn't dismiss this scenario at all. That is why the Democrats need to find their "renegade" candidate and hype them up as well, if they ever want to win another presidential election.

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Election? There will be no election. Mwahahaha...MwaHaHaHa..MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

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I agree with most of what you're saying.  The Stone Cold comparison is dead-on, in terms of gaining popularity by breaking the mold. That is what Trump did.  Trump literally wrestled in the ring, and they didn't even make him oil up his chest first. That tells you about his power as a showman.
That said, the syncophantic organization he took over persists, and remains syncophantic around him, rather than its old heroes and old beliefs. Unfortunately, Trump won't be on the ballot in 2022 or 2024 so they'll have to figure out what their platform is without him.
Parties are synchophants by nature. Can we change that? Or can we get new parties? Is either possible? How could we make it happen, if so?

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If massive numbers of people go on a quest for self sufficiency, the society, the webs of interdependence, starts to fall apart anyways.  It's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Self sufficiency isnt the same as isolationism.

true but I'm going for the isolation thing as well, hence the possible move to Wyoming can't get more isolated than that.

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https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/roger-sto...25669.html

^and another domino falls. Stone is saying Trump should declare martial law. Look the plan guys is even if he loses he wants to find a way to stay.

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https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/roger-sto...25669.html

^and another domino falls. Stone is saying Trump should declare martial law. Look the plan guys is even if he loses he wants to find a way to stay.

Geez, dude.

So you have Yahoo bookmarked as your News site.... and this one comes from the Huffington Post which doesn't even attempt to hide that it's a communist publication.

Do better, just do better.

Think for yourself. That's all. Think and research. Just once in your life.

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I agree with most of what you're saying.  The Stone Cold comparison is dead-on, in terms of gaining popularity by breaking the mold. That is what Trump did.  Trump literally wrestled in the ring, and they didn't even make him oil up his chest first. That tells you about his power as a showman.
That said, the syncophantic organization he took over persists, and remains syncophantic around him, rather than its old heroes and old beliefs. Unfortunately, Trump won't be on the ballot in 2022 or 2024 so they'll have to figure out what their platform is without him.
Parties are synchophants by nature. Can we change that? Or can we get new parties? Is either possible? How could we make it happen, if so?

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If massive numbers of people go on a quest for self sufficiency, the society, the webs of interdependence, starts to fall apart anyways.  It's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Self sufficiency isnt the same as isolationism.

Self sufficiency could mean that you are no longer relying on gifts or charity.
But in this context it was clear that EricC85 is trying to plan for a time when he might not have regular access to grocery stores or electric utilities or reliable police protection.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.