With these QBs we have to deal with, if we can get an elite DE would be huge. Very few teams have 2 elite pass rushers, that could be our potential with Allen and Hutch or Thibs. Have to go with the elite pass rusher. You can still get Trevor help with FA and our other picks

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For everyone wanting to trade down, that requires another team wanting a player worth trading up for. Just take the best player in the draft.

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If you want our Josh Allen to be in beast mode consistently instead of sporadically, you give him another stud pass rusher to work with.
OLs will have a tough time keeping both at bay as one gets freed up by the threat of the other - it's the recipe most successful defenses bake their lines with.

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If you want our Josh Allen to be in beast mode consistently instead of sporadically, you give him another stud pass rusher to work with.
OLs will have a tough time keeping both at bay as one gets freed up by the threat of the other -  it's the recipe most successful defenses bake their lines with.

The enormous impact that Von Miller is having with the LA Rams is exhibit A.  The combination of Aaron Donald in the interior, with Leonard Floyd and Von Miller on the edge, is the primary reason the Rams have reached the NFC Conference Championship game.   It took 4 Rams turnovers for the Bucs to be in position to overcome the Rams lethal pass rush, if their own Defense would have been able to step up with the game on the line.  Miller easily could be a primary difference in Tom Brady not ending up winning 1 to 3 more Super Bowls in his 22 NFL seasons.

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Hey if we can have the best defence and make playoffs consistently, i dont care if we lose the way bills did

Sure would be better than missing playoffs year after year and going thru coach after coach.

But hey, i dont matter who we draft you will prob make him a punching bag

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Hey if we can have the best defence and make playoffs consistently, i dont care if we lose the way bills did

Sure would be better than missing playoffs year after year and going thru coach after coach.

But hey, i dont matter who we draft you will prob make him a punching bag

The Bills best defensive player didnt even play.  If he didnt tear his ACL and played I think they would of won

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Hey if we can have the best defence and make playoffs consistently, i dont care if we lose the way bills did

Sure would be better than missing playoffs year after year and going thru coach after coach.

But hey, i dont matter who we draft you will prob make him a punching bag

The Bills best defensive player didnt even play.  If he didnt tear his ACL and played I think they would of won

Agreed, if all other injuries still occurred.  

On the other side,  the Chiefs were without their best back 7 player on Defense (S Tyrann Mathieu)  for the vast majority of the game,  after he suffered a Concussion.  If Mathieu was able to play has usual % of Defensive Snaps,  I doubt the Bills would have scored close to as many 36 points.

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I swear I have seen the same Jaguars motto since the early 2000's

A good defense who's offense can't score enough.

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I swear I have seen the same Jaguars motto since the early 2000's

A good defense who's offense can't score enough.

A right tackle, even an elite one (which Neal is not guaranteed to be), isn't going to help a whole lot with that.

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If you want our Josh Allen to be in beast mode consistently instead of sporadically, you give him another stud pass rusher to work with.
OLs will have a tough time keeping both at bay as one gets freed up by the threat of the other -  it's the recipe most successful defenses bake their lines with.

The enormous impact that Von Miller is having with the LA Rams is exhibit A.  The combination of Aaron Donald in the interior, with Leonard Floyd and Von Miller on the edge, is the primary reason the Rams have reached the NFC Conference Championship game.   It took 4 Rams turnovers for the Bucs to be in position to overcome the Rams lethal pass rush, if their own Defense would have been able to step up with the game on the line.  Miller easily could be a primary difference in Tom Brady not ending up winning 1 to 3 more Super Bowls in his 22 NFL seasons.

Allen excelled when he had Campbell and Yan on the line with him.

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Outside of the fact that Defensive ends rarely make a real contribution their first year,  The League has shifted it's rules so strongly toward the offense it makes the defense side a lot less important.  

The Jags had the #1 overall defense in 2017 and got carved up in the AFC Champ game against the Pats...

We just saw the Bills (#1 defense in the league) give up a filed goal from the opponents 25 yard line with 13 seconds left.

It's an offensive league.  I'm not saying defense is not important but offense should be priority in about every scenario these days.   It isn't like the best defensive end in this draft is miles better than the best offensive linemen.  I think QB protection is more important to help this young QB.  

There is no generational talent Like a Bosa, Watt, Garret, etc.

The team would be best suited to build around Lawrence so we can really see if he is the franchise guy.  

Ideally I would like to trade out to around the 10th spot and get the best WR in the draft.  If stick to #1 overall, then take the best offensive linemen and do not look back.

I’m sorry but did you just say Hutchinson wasn’t on the level of Myles Garrett? Hutchinson was PFF’s highest rated DE since they’ve started tracking DEs.

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Outside of the fact that Defensive ends rarely make a real contribution their first year,  The League has shifted it's rules so strongly toward the offense it makes the defense side a lot less important.  

The Jags had the #1 overall defense in 2017 and got carved up in the AFC Champ game against the Pats...

We just saw the Bills (#1 defense in the league) give up a filed goal from the opponents 25 yard line with 13 seconds left.

It's an offensive league.  I'm not saying defense is not important but offense should be priority in about every scenario these days.   It isn't like the best defensive end in this draft is miles better than the best offensive linemen.  I think QB protection is more important to help this young QB.  

There is no generational talent Like a Bosa, Watt, Garret, etc.

The team would be best suited to build around Lawrence so we can really see if he is the franchise guy.  

Ideally I would like to trade out to around the 10th spot and get the best WR in the draft.  If stick to #1 overall, then take the best offensive linemen and do not look back.

I’m sorry but did you just say Hutchinson wasn’t on the level of Myles Garrett? Hutchinson was PFF’s highest rated DE since they’ve started tracking DEs.

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https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1...10&ref_url=

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I go back and forth from day to day when it comes to drafting Evan Neal or one of the pass rushers. In Week 17, it was so great watching Trevor standing back in the pocket with a lot of time to pass and carving up the Colts. The extra time seemed to make a big difference for him.

The problem is that using the first overall pick on a RT seems to be a huge reach. If Walker Little can be depended on at the LT position, I think we would get a lot more value with that first pick by taking Hutchinson or Thibodeaux.

Is there any scenario where we could play Little at LT and move Cam over to RT? Little seems like a natural LT.

One thing I wouldn't mind doing is making a trade with the Vikings. If we could get Adam Thielen, #12, and their first pick in 2023, we could add a very good veteran receiver and also be in a position to draft another good rookie.

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I go back and forth from day to day when it comes to drafting Evan Neal or one of the pass rushers. In Week 17, it was so great watching Trevor standing back in the pocket with a lot of time to pass and carving up the Colts. The extra time seemed to make a big difference for him.

The problem is that using the first overall pick on a RT seems to be a huge reach. If Walker Little can be depended on at the LT position, I think we would get a lot more value with that first pick by taking Hutchinson or Thibodeaux.

Is there any scenario where we could play Little at LT and move Cam over to RT? Little seems like a natural LT.

One thing I wouldn't mind doing is making a trade with the Vikings. If we could get Adam Thielen, #12, and their first pick in 2023, we could add a very good veteran receiver and also be in a position to draft another good rookie.

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This is something I've been meaning to raise around here. With all the talk of Neal at 1, does that imply we're playing him at LT, and if so, how confident are we that Little plays well at RT? I assume that if we are taking Neal at 1, Cam is allowed to sign elsewhere. That would be overkill aimed at one, maaaaaaaaaybe two spots on the line.

I agree that Little seems more suited on the left. It seems odd that we'd throw in the towel on him before even giving him a shot to prove his worth by taking Neal.

Interested in everyone's thoughts on this.

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I go back and forth from day to day when it comes to drafting Evan Neal or one of the pass rushers. In Week 17, it was so great watching Trevor standing back in the pocket with a lot of time to pass and carving up the Colts. The extra time seemed to make a big difference for him.

The problem is that using the first overall pick on a RT seems to be a huge reach. If Walker Little can be depended on at the LT position, I think we would get a lot more value with that first pick by taking Hutchinson or Thibodeaux.

Is there any scenario where we could play Little at LT and move Cam over to RT? Little seems like a natural LT.

One thing I wouldn't mind doing is making a trade with the Vikings. If we could get Adam Thielen, #12, and their first pick in 2023, we could add a very good veteran receiver and also be in a position to draft another good rookie.

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This is something I've been meaning to raise around here. With all the talk of Neal at 1, does that imply we're playing him at LT, and if so, how confident are we that Little plays well at RT? I assume that if we are taking Neal at 1, Cam is allowed to sign elsewhere. That would be overkill aimed at one, maaaaaaaaaybe two spots on the line.

I agree that Little seems more suited on the left. It seems odd that we'd throw in the towel on him before even giving him a shot to prove his worth by taking Neal.

Interested in everyone's thoughts on this.

Neal would be the RT.  He played RT 2 years ago when Bama won the NT

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I am NOT taking Neal numero uno to play RT over Hutchinson or Thibodeaux who would be playing at a more valuable position and increasing the odds of Allen and Smoot and anybody else opposite of them hitting home in the backfield.

The only way I can justify taking Neal is if he's FOR SURE going to be the starting LT. Which means, you've allowed Cam Robinson to walk and you're basically saying Walker Little, who you dropped a 2nd RD pick on last year is not good enough to play LT. Which means you're pushing him to RT to replace another former 2nd RD pick in Taylor.

There's a lot to consider here now with Pederson and his staff coming over. You may not need Neal if your offensive scheme is based on timing routes, quick passes, short to mid attacks and play action with a RB by committee approach.

Maybe Hutchinson is a better fit or Thibodeaux is a better fit on this new defense that's going to be showcased in 2022. My only argument is this. When you look at the division. There's really no QB that really scares me at the moment. However, you can never have enough good pass rushers.

Hutchinson would be my pick out of these three though. I liked what he did all year. He got stonewalled against the National Championship team. I don't feel bad about that. I think he's 9 - 12 sack guy per year with the potential to hit 12 - 15 if the schedule is favorable and our offense is actually putting up points and forcing opponents to play catch up via the passing game.

I think he gives Allen and Smoot another 2 - 5 sacks easily.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

^-- This was what I was getting at. For Neal to go first overall, he's got to be your LT and you don't look back. If all he's going to do is play RT, I wait to see who falls to the second and get a guy with maybe less pedigree but just as much ability to shore up the right side of the line. If we do take Neal, we're stuck either shifting Little again, or letting him play the role of depth/swing tackle while someone else plays RT, be it Cam or some other FA signing.

That's the biggest reason why I can't understand all the mocks that are linking us with Neal. Not to say it can't happen, but if it does, it has to be that everyone is slotting him in at LT, right?

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I agree with Prisco, I think it will be Hutch or Neal.

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I agree with Prisco, I think it will be Hutch or Neal.

Is Hutch (or Thibs for that matter) a better prospect than Josh Allen was when we drafted him? Nor how he has performed since being drafted but what level he was project to be. We got him at #7 but he had been projected as top 4 if I am not mistaken. But many have said these two edge rushers in this year's draft would have been lower in some of the previous drafts re: the Bosas and Chase Young. This being a draft supposedly loaded with edge players, albeit not at the level of the top two, are they really worth #1? Not sure myself

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I agree with Prisco, I think it will be Hutch or Neal.

Is Hutch (or Thibs for that matter) a better prospect than Josh Allen was when we drafted him? Nor how he has performed since being drafted but what level he was project to be. We got him at #7 but he had been projected as top 4 if I am not mistaken. But many have said these two edge rushers in this year's draft would have been lower in some of the previous drafts re: the Bosas and Chase Young. This being a draft supposedly loaded with edge players, albeit not at the level of the top two, are they really worth #1? Not sure myself

I loved Josh Allen when he was drafted. He was the #1 player on my board at the time he was selected. With that said, I have Hutchinson and Thibodeaux graded higher than I had Allen.

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