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Jags in Talks With CB DJ Hayden (merged)
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(03-14-2018, 09:44 AM)fredalwaysajag Wrote: Hayden will have no choice but to elevate his play in that room.This and 100 times this. You think Ramsey and Bouye are going to let this kid slack? We have seen this locker room take players and elevate their play because they don't mess around. They push each other every day to be the best they can be. If there is one team in the league who can help Hayden, I believe it's the Jags. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(03-14-2018, 09:55 AM)Inziladun Wrote: Seems to me we're worried about this year... Not the next. Gonna be A LOT of cuts next year. This is a list of free agents we have in 2019. Personally, I don't see anyone on the list that we have to keep. I'd love to hold on to Lambo, but finding a Kicker is a little easier than finding other key positions, so I'm not too worried. There isn't a whole lot of savings on this list, but it might help. [font=Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Donte Moncrief WR 24 JAC TBD - UFA - Marcedes Lewis TE 33 JAC TBD $4,000,000 UFA - Corey Grant RB 26 JAC TBD $2,914,000 UFA - T.J. Yeldon RB 24 JAC TBD $1,478,444 UFA - Tyler Shatley G 26 JAC TBD $1,027,500 UFA - A.J. Cann G 26 JAC TBD $843,149 UFA - Josh Wells RT 27 JAC TBD $797,500 UFA - Tommy Bohanon FB 27 JAC TBD $740,000 UFA - Jaelen Strong WR 24 JAC TBD $717,500 UFA - Dexter McDougle CB 26 JAC TBD $705,000 UFA - Tyler Patmon CB 27 JAC TBD $660,000 UFA - Josh Walker G 26 JAC TBD $660,000 UFA - Josh Lambo K 27 JAC TBD $660,000 UFA - Rashad Greene WR 25 JAC TBD $630,954 UFA - Ben Koyack TE 24 JAC TBD $630,000 RFA - James O'Shaughnessy TE 26 JAC TBD $618,314 UFA - Michael Bennett DT 25 JAC TBD $604,675 UFA - Kapron Lewis-Moore DE 28 JAC TBD $555,000 ERFA - Jarrod Wilson S 24 JAC TBD $541,667 RFA - Carroll Phillips OLB 25 JAC TBD $510,000 ERFA - Jaydon Mickens WR 23 JAC TBD $510,000 ERFA - Colin Holba LS 23 JAC TBD $510,000 ERFA - Chris Reed T 25 JAC TBD $495,000 RFA -[/font]
He is terrible. I presumed he'd just be signing as a camp body/competition but nah we signed him as a starting slot. Bad bad move. Expect a billion targets on Hayden every game.
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While I didn't agree with but I understood why we brough Lee back and signed Moncrief instead of Arob I have a hard time understanding this move. Too much money for a player who has badly underperformed.
Hopefully a change of scenery and being surrounded by our defense will have him playing better than he has so far .
Literally every statistic you look at when it comes to Hayden, he looks like one of the worst DBs in the league. What a weird signing.
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(03-14-2018, 08:26 AM)Jags02 Wrote:(03-14-2018, 08:21 AM)BklynJag Wrote: @rapsheet CB DJ Hayden expected to sign with #Jaguars: 3 years, $19 million with $9.5 million guaranteed. Upside to $21 million. Most likely with very little hits in year 2 and 3 if they cut him. Our Front Office doesn't like to commit $$ to the out-years (see Bortles contract) which is very savvy
Can we decline that offer? I think the dog ate somebody's homework on this one.
(03-14-2018, 09:21 AM)ATLjag Wrote: Reading the Lions boards discussing Hayden's performance and free agency, they don't seem too high on him. In fact, most didn't think he was worth the minimal salary they were paying him. The positive was that he has the ability to play both the slot and outside. His negative is that he plays at a backup level at either position. Many of the same Lions fans are also ripping G.M. Bob Quinn for the Lions personnel decisions in the last 2 days. With most being upset that the Lions gave CB Nevin Lawson, ( who was higher in the pecking order under the Jim Caldwell/ Teryl Austin coaching staff than D.J. Hayden was ), a lesser contract than Hayden is receiving from the Jaguars. Though the Jaguars are paying D.J. Hayden noticeably more than I thought he would get on the open market this year, as an outside CB in 2017, I thought he was average. Certainly not close to horrible. Hayden played very little in the slot in his 1 season with the Lions, even though he had a history of playing that position with the Raiders. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
One additional thought that comes to mind. The Lions pass rush collectively last season was one of the worst in the NFL. While Darius Slay, a Pro Bowl CB, was able to overcome that, most NFL CBs would have felt the adverse affects of being in more difficult positions because of a problematic pass rush.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973673027434172416
Awesome. An actually darn good nickel corner got paid less than the crap we signed.
Of all the signings, this is the most puzzling for all the reasons already noted. I do still expect them to draft a corner/nickel in the mid-rounds as a contingency plan to Hayden and the guys they already have.
Should add that I don't have any doubt that Marrone will bench Hayden if he does end up stinking. It's just the fact we paid him a good amount of money.
I don't entirely believe Hayden would have had a strong market either, probably could have waiting a few weeks and get a comparable talent on a low low deal. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Certainly a peculiar signing. But like others have said I'll take the wait and see approach. The team has earned that for the time being.
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(03-14-2018, 11:28 AM)Upper Wrote: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973673027434172416 Wow. Just wow.
Could have signed Ndamakan Suh instead of this CB. Slot covering CB's are a dime a dozen in the draft. Jaguars already have one on the roster, Myrick, he's good enough to cover slots receivers with 2 of the top DB's sheltering him. Suh would have taken this team to 85 Bears D greatness status that the Jaguars could have had Gabbert at QB and still get to the Super Bowl.
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