I mean, he's clearly not a bust, but damned if this hamstring isn't frustrating...

But it's better than a torn acl or a broken leg I guess. If nothing else though, this right here is WHY you don't overpay your running backs.

And for the record, at the time of the draft, I was hoping for Kamara. Pipedream, that was.

I’m not saying he’s a bust but how is he clearly not a bust?

He was drafted #4 overall and has missed quite a few games already. He had injury issues at LSU and has them here.

Because he's only 20 games into his career and put up respectable numbers as a rookie. 

Way too early for throwing the bust label around one way or the other.

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Looks like we need yet another stacked box refresher. A stacked box is when there are more defenders in the box than offensive players. If we have 5 oline, Blake, LF, TE, FB, 2 WR that's us putting 9 in the box. If the defense is playing 8 in the box in that situation it's not a stacked box, it's just a normal reaction to our personnel.

Fournette faced very few actual stacked boxes. No defenses were looking at us playing in 11 personnel and leaving a WR completely uncovered so they could keep an extra player in the box out of fear of LF. Just didn't happen, sorry.

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This is the reason I didn't want Fournette was because he was always injured in college. Don't get me wrong, when he is healthy, he is one of the best backs in the league but man is he injured a lot.

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Fournette's injury history was definitely concerning. Exactly why I didn't want him either.

It would appear that was more true than not. However, Myles Jack has held up well, which is good news!

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If I'm Marrone, I'm looking at the schedule and I'm resting/rehabbing him until the team prepares to travel to London in three weeks. If he tests well, he makes the trip. If he tests poorly he stays home and rests until the squealers come to town in November.

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Looks like we need yet another stacked box refresher. A stacked box is when there are more defenders in the box than offensive players. If we have 5 oline, Blake, LF, TE, FB, 2 WR that's us putting 9 in the box. If the defense is playing 8 in the box in that situation it's not a stacked box, it's just a normal reaction to our personnel.

Fournette faced very few actual stacked boxes. No defenses were looking at us playing in 11 personnel and leaving a WR completely uncovered so they could keep an extra player in the box out of fear of LF. Just didn't happen, sorry.

this is an absolute lie... fournette, if my memory serves me correct, ran into more 8 man and stacked boxes than any RB in the league last year

even with that, he is absolutely trending toward bust status because he cant stay on the field

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I’m not saying he’s a bust but how is he clearly not a bust?

He was drafted #4 overall and has missed quite a few games already. He had injury issues at LSU and has them here.

Because he's only 20 games into his career and put up respectable numbers as a rookie. 

Way too early for throwing the bust label around one way or the other.

I get what you’re saying but my point is he’s not “clearly” anything yet.

He’s a talented old school runner with poor vision who is currently injury prone. 

Right now, I’d rather the team just rule him out for 3-4 weeks so that Yeldon can get all the reps with the 1’s and the team sign another back. I don’t like Wilds and I think Langford or another FA would be better.

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Because he's only 20 games into his career and put up respectable numbers as a rookie. 

Way too early for throwing the bust label around one way or the other.

I get what you’re saying but my point is he’s not “clearly” anything yet.

If he's clearly not anything, then he's clearly not a bust either.  
Sorry. It's just ridiculously soon to toss around the term. It's a hamstring. 
SOOOOO, so many RBs and WRs go through a hammy situation at some point that nags them for 4-8 weeks before they get past it. It's not a serious injury and it's long term prognosis is better than the ankle thing he dealt with last season. 
I'm just not going to be concerned about the injury thing yet. Too soon.

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Looks like we need yet another stacked box refresher. A stacked box is when there are more defenders in the box than offensive players. If we have 5 oline, Blake, LF, TE, FB, 2 WR that's us putting 9 in the box. If the defense is playing 8 in the box in that situation it's not a stacked box, it's just a normal reaction to our personnel.

Fournette faced very few actual stacked boxes. No defenses were looking at us playing in 11 personnel and leaving a WR completely uncovered so they could keep an extra player in the box out of fear of LF. Just didn't happen, sorry.

this is an absolute lie... fournette, if my memory serves me correct, ran into more 8 man and stacked boxes than any RB in the league last year

even with that, he is absolutely trending toward bust status because he cant stay on the field

Depends on which definition of "stacked box" you adopt.  KY/Upper clearly has a different one than you do. 

He has a point though. Most of those "stacked boxes" were a direct response to the personnel grouping we put on the field.  When we spread out 3 receivers - the box unstacked. We just rarely ran from that set. They are doing it more this season though. Which is wise.

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Are his yards per carry higher than his draft slot yet? He has still yet to come close to living up to his worth even purely when judged by what he's done on the field. The injuries are just insult to...injury...no pun intended.

Imagine Earl Thomas 2.0 Malik Hooker patrolling the back of our defense for the next decade, or PFFs current #2 do it all freak athlete TE OJ Howard being a stud blocker for Yeldon, and a stud pass protector helping Wells in rough matchups, or being Blake's security blanket chain mover while also being a mismatch field stretcher.

https://twitter.com/Nathan_Shoultz/statu...18208?s=19


https://twitter.com/Captain_Hook76/statu...32899?s=19

https://twitter.com/MattGlenesk/status/1...56192?s=19

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I think they'll just roll with Yeldon, Grant and Wilds unless one of those guys lands on the injury report.

The team recently worked out Jeremy Langford, so he's an option. I think Charcandrick West is out there. He's a bit interesting. Also Orleans Darkwa is a FA still.

https://twitter.com/BigCatCountry/status...8278931461

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I get what you’re saying but my point is he’s not “clearly” anything yet.

If he's clearly not anything, then he's clearly not a bust either.  
Sorry. It's just ridiculously soon to toss around the term. It's a hamstring. 
SOOOOO, so many RBs and WRs go through a hammy situation at some point that nags them for 4-8 weeks before they get past it. It's not a serious injury and it's long term prognosis is better than the ankle thing he dealt with last season. 
I'm just not going to be concerned about the injury thing yet. Too soon.

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this is an absolute lie... fournette, if my memory serves me correct, ran into more 8 man and stacked boxes than any RB in the league last year

even with that, he is absolutely trending toward bust status because he cant stay on the field

Depends on which definition of "stacked box" you adopt.  KY/Upper clearly has a different one than you do. 

He has a point though. Most of those "stacked boxes" were a direct response to the personnel grouping we put on the field.  When we spread out 3 receivers - the box unstacked. We just rarely ran from that set. They are doing it more this season though. Which is wise.

I'm talking about the stat that was produced last year that said fournette ran against more stacked boxes than any team in the league last year

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I think they'll just roll with Yeldon, Grant and Wilds unless one of those guys lands on the injury report.

The team recently worked out Jeremy Langford, so he's an option. I think Charcandrick West is out there. He's a bit interesting. Also Orleans Darkwa is a FA still.

https://twitter.com/BigCatCountry/status...8278931461

He would definitely be an upgrade over Wilds and he’s an upgrade over Grant in the pass blocking category.

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I'm cool with Darkwa as a fill in guy

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If he's clearly not anything, then he's clearly not a bust either.  
Sorry. It's just ridiculously soon to toss around the term. It's a hamstring. 
SOOOOO, so many RBs and WRs go through a hammy situation at some point that nags them for 4-8 weeks before they get past it. It's not a serious injury and it's long term prognosis is better than the ankle thing he dealt with last season. 
I'm just not going to be concerned about the injury thing yet. Too soon.

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Depends on which definition of "stacked box" you adopt.  KY/Upper clearly has a different one than you do. 

He has a point though. Most of those "stacked boxes" were a direct response to the personnel grouping we put on the field.  When we spread out 3 receivers - the box unstacked. We just rarely ran from that set. They are doing it more this season though. Which is wise.

I'm talking about the stat that was produced last year that said fournette ran against more stacked boxes than any team in the league last year

Right. The poster you replied to is stating those weren't technically "stacked boxes" but rather simply defenses putting defenders in the obvious corresponding positions to our run formations.  The second half of that statement is true, but whether it's still defined as a "stacked box" or not is beyond me, and frankly it doesn't really matter.  He's just trying to make a distinction between a defense stacking the box to stop the run and a defense merely lining guys up according to what we are showing them. We showed them run very frequently when LF was in the game last year. 

Fournette managed to produce fairly well despite being put in that situation, and I think he'd have a better YPC stat if they had run from an "11" personnel grouping more often as it would have unstacked a lot of those boxes.

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Yep, 8 man box =/= stacked box. If we have 9 in the box and the defense has 8 in the box then it's a normal box, it's not stacked. And that's how most of Fournette's runs are.

If we're in 11 personnel and there's still 8 in the box then it's a stacked box, but I'd guess you can count on one hand the number of times Fournette has run into that.

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Get him ready after the bye week

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https://gmenhq.com/2018/09/06/orleans-da...ial-steal/

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Who are you cutting to sign another running back?

Let's take a deep breath and think before we react.

Put 4net on IR, silly.

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Who are you cutting to sign another running back?

Let's take a deep breath and think before we react.

Put 4net on IR, silly.

Don't think FBT thought before he reacted.

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Fournette is entering bust territory.  I can't remember a stretch where he has been healthy.  One injury after the next.  It's nothing he can control but as Bill Parcells  says, "the best ability is availability."    Good back when healthy but will he ever be able to remain healthy remains to be seen.  Fred Taylor got the nickname "fragile fred" before he proved he could stay healthy.  I hope Fournette has better luck.  Team should put him on short IR and bring him back when that hamstring is 100%.

I consider a "bust" to be a guy who doesn't live up to the expectations when he plays. Fournette has been disappointing, because of injuries. That's not his fault. When he plays, he good.

So with that definition, was Justin Blackmon a bust?

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