#79's attempt at a block is so funny.

Man. I forgot how bad Fortner actually was.

Yeesh.

It was really bad.

And it feeds into the point I was making and the reasoning behind Pederson altering course with taxing Trevor with a bunch of horizontal reads opposed to quick hitters - one read plays - and 2 or 3 read plays stacked to one half of the field. Protection as well as TL's occasional habit to lock onto his desired target likely had a lot to do with the decision to alter course.  

Of course, the right fix was to improve the protection and eradicate that bad habit.
Instead - Pederson waited too long to fix the center - waited too long to fix LG - trusted Cam R too long at LT - and decided to mitigate Trevor instead of developing him. 
When that didn't work in 2023 he attempted to bolster the line in 2024, but rather than give TL plays demanding horizontal reads - he gave him quadruple the amount of play action downfield passes and kept the 2023 stuff. The protection was still too sketchy for the downfield passes frequently, but that one alteration did pay dividends at times. Just not game altering dividends.

It got him fired

I hope the next guy sees the PA potential but also develops TL to the next stage of pre snap and progression read proficiency.
You can cull through the tape and see plenty examples of him looking at an underneath guy until the deep coverage starts to shade toward that shallow route and THEN he throws deep. Next step is for him to work that same magic from left to right across the field more often and the playbook will need to demand that from him instead of deleting it.

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Wdym Pederson waited too long? Isn’t that on our clown GM?

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Man. I forgot how bad Fortner actually was.

Yeesh.

It was really bad.

And it feeds into the point I was making and the reasoning behind Pederson altering course with taxing Trevor with a bunch of horizontal reads opposed to quick hitters - one read plays - and 2 or 3 read plays stacked to one half of the field. Protection as well as TL's occasional habit to lock onto his desired target likely had a lot to do with the decision to alter course.  

Of course, the right fix was to improve the protection and eradicate that bad habit.
Instead - Pederson waited too long to fix the center - waited too long to fix LG - trusted Cam R too long at LT - and decided to mitigate Trevor instead of developing him. 
When that didn't work in 2023 he attempted to bolster the line in 2024, but rather than give TL plays demanding horizontal reads - he gave him quadruple the amount of play action downfield passes and kept the 2023 stuff. The protection was still too sketchy for the downfield passes frequently, but that one alteration did pay dividends at times. Just not game altering dividends.

It got him fired

I hope the next guy sees the PA potential but also develops TL to the next stage of pre snap and progression read proficiency.
You can cull through the tape and see plenty examples of him looking at an underneath guy until the deep coverage starts to shade toward that shallow route and THEN he throws deep. Next step is for him to work that same magic from left to right across the field more often and the playbook will need to demand that from him instead of deleting it.

Of all the things that need to improve on this team, Trevor is the last on my list.  If we have a good defense and a running game, Trevor will play like a pro bowl level quarterback.  It's that simple.  Trevor is fine.  He's the very last thing I am worried about on this team.

I see it all the time: the better the team, the better the quarterback looks.  And the worse the team, the worse the quarterback looks.  Football is a team game.  Put any talented player on a good team, and they look great.

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Jaguars owner wanted Pederson to call plays if I’m not mistaken.

He said that in an interview.  He said "I know who I want to call plays" reference to Pederson.

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It was really bad.

And it feeds into the point I was making and the reasoning behind Pederson altering course with taxing Trevor with a bunch of horizontal reads opposed to quick hitters - one read plays - and 2 or 3 read plays stacked to one half of the field. Protection as well as TL's occasional habit to lock onto his desired target likely had a lot to do with the decision to alter course.  

Of course, the right fix was to improve the protection and eradicate that bad habit.
Instead - Pederson waited too long to fix the center - waited too long to fix LG - trusted Cam R too long at LT - and decided to mitigate Trevor instead of developing him. 
When that didn't work in 2023 he attempted to bolster the line in 2024, but rather than give TL plays demanding horizontal reads - he gave him quadruple the amount of play action downfield passes and kept the 2023 stuff. The protection was still too sketchy for the downfield passes frequently, but that one alteration did pay dividends at times. Just not game altering dividends.

It got him fired

I hope the next guy sees the PA potential but also develops TL to the next stage of pre snap and progression read proficiency.
You can cull through the tape and see plenty examples of him looking at an underneath guy until the deep coverage starts to shade toward that shallow route and THEN he throws deep. Next step is for him to work that same magic from left to right across the field more often and the playbook will need to demand that from him instead of deleting it.

Of all the things that need to improve on this team, Trevor is the last on my list.  If we have a good defense and a running game, Trevor will play like a pro bowl level quarterback.  It's that simple.  Trevor is fine.  He's the very last thing I am worried about on this team.

I see it all the time: the better the team, the better the quarterback looks.  And the worse the team, the worse the quarterback looks.  Football is a team game.  Put any talented player on a good team, and they look great.

He's definitely fine. 
TL getting better isn't some top five requirement for the team to succeed in my eyes, but we're talking about COACHES. 

I want a coach that will develop him to his full potential instead of trying to take short cuts around the weaknesses in his game and the weaknesses around him. 

I think he's a top ten QB behind a line that gives him time to work (which we almost never see) but I don't want bad line play and lazy coaching to keep him from doing ALL of the things the elite quarterbacks do regularly. He does them sporadically. Some of that is on the coaching/scheme and/or line play, some of it is on the QB. 
That's all. Calling it like I see it.

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    Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation.

Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.

You weren't - you were grossly premature with your take at that point and apparently still ignorant of how stupid it was to draw conclusions from the 2021 season

So me analyzing what a 2nd year QB needs to work on is "grossly premature", despite the fact that the Jaguars HC decided that it WAS in fact a problem in the upcoming season, to the point where he modified/simplified/limited his own offensive scheme for the following season?

[From Jan 2024]
    Give the kid another 1/4 second to process reads behind a line he can actually trust so he doesn't speed up the internal clock - and this conversation goes away completely.

From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

Bad stat.
Lawrence's "time to throw"  was 2.4 seconds per pass drop in 2024
- 2023 was 2.2  - so he got .2 seconds more.

Okay, you wanted an increase of .25 seconds, and you only got .2 seconds.  Did the missing 5 hundredths of a second prevent him from fixing the issue, or stop the conversation from going away? 

It might have helped if it weren't for all the other points being made that are flying over your thick head.
Go ahead and look up the number of PA downfield attempts in 24 vs 23 and let me know if you can wrap your head around how that affected the difference in release time

According to you, the scheme was altered between 2022 and 2023.  So how does that affect 2023 to 2024, unless your implying that their was another scheme change that you haven't brought up.  He had .2 extra seconds but his production regressed in 2024.

You blathered on about some overarching inability to read the field and being obvious to opposing defenses.
I said he has some bad habits of not reading every route at times while going through his progression aptly at other times. Stop trying to equate those things.

You said:

because Pederson identified that Lawrence had a bad habit of staring down one guy sometimes, and maybe only making two reads at other times, or making multiple reads to only one side of the field.

Did you read the post I originally quoted???

The above post was made in terms of Trevor's inability to read the field if his first option is covered, and I think the bolded point can be applied to the playcalling debate.  If a play-call has the first option open, then Trevor certainly has all the talents to deliver the ball.  But if the defense covers the first option and you have a QB that can't progress through the remaining options quickly then your offense will be much more readable."

If these posts were any closer you'd be accused of plagiarism!  Do you want me to say 'not every single time' in there somewhere?  You say 30% and I say %40?

AND both Khan and Trevor have said that the offense is predictable.  For me, predictable and readable are synonyms, and as you said 'obvious to opposing defenses.'

I never said it was all on Pederson.  Not once. never even remotely implied it.

    I think we'll see with the next coach whether Pederson's simplifying the offense to partial reads was a failure to teach Trevor, or was an innate short-coming with the QB's skillset. & Like I said, we won't know until we see Trevor under another offensive coaching staff.

You mean you won't know. I feel I know right now. I'm confident in my opinion because I've analyzed the tape more than you have.

^Err, okay.  How can you feel you know...if you hadn't decided it was all on Pederson?  To me that reads as you remotely implying it.  (Unless you're implying that it really is on Trevor's skill-set, but I doubt that.)


I can't believe I'm explaining this to someone that has such an in-depth understanding of Lawrence and Pederson's offense.

I hear you, imagine the frustration of explaining to someone what they have already said, when they keep shifting their points.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

@cland

Bravo.

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And we're back at it.

    Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation.

Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.

You weren't - you were grossly premature with your take at that point and apparently still ignorant of how stupid it was to draw conclusions from the 2021 season

So me analyzing what a 2nd year QB needs to work on is "grossly premature", despite the fact that the Jaguars HC decided that it WAS in fact a problem in the upcoming season, to the point where he modified/simplified/limited his own offensive scheme for the following season?

[From Jan 2024]
    Give the kid another 1/4 second to process reads behind a line he can actually trust so he doesn't speed up the internal clock - and this conversation goes away completely.

From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

Bad stat.
Lawrence's "time to throw"  was 2.4 seconds per pass drop in 2024
- 2023 was 2.2  - so he got .2 seconds more.

Okay, you wanted an increase of .25 seconds, and you only got .2 seconds.  Did the missing 5 hundredths of a second prevent him from fixing the issue, or stop the conversation from going away? 

It might have helped if it weren't for all the other points being made that are flying over your thick head.
Go ahead and look up the number of PA downfield attempts in 24 vs 23 and let me know if you can wrap your head around how that affected the difference in release time

According to you, the scheme was altered between 2022 and 2023.  So how does that affect 2023 to 2024, unless your implying that their was another scheme change that you haven't brought up.  He had .2 extra seconds but his production regressed in 2024.

You blathered on about some overarching inability to read the field and being obvious to opposing defenses.
I said he has some bad habits of not reading every route at times while going through his progression aptly at other times. Stop trying to equate those things.

You said:

because Pederson identified that Lawrence had a bad habit of staring down one guy sometimes, and maybe only making two reads at other times, or making multiple reads to only one side of the field.

Did you read the post I originally quoted???

The above post was made in terms of Trevor's inability to read the field if his first option is covered, and I think the bolded point can be applied to the playcalling debate.  If a play-call has the first option open, then Trevor certainly has all the talents to deliver the ball.  But if the defense covers the first option and you have a QB that can't progress through the remaining options quickly then your offense will be much more readable."

If these posts were any closer you'd be accused of plagiarism!  Do you want me to say 'not every single time' in there somewhere?  You say 30% and I say %40?

AND both Khan and Trevor have said that the offense is predictable.  For me, predictable and readable are synonyms, and as you said 'obvious to opposing defenses.'

I never said it was all on Pederson.  Not once. never even remotely implied it.

    I think we'll see with the next coach whether Pederson's simplifying the offense to partial reads was a failure to teach Trevor, or was an innate short-coming with the QB's skillset. & Like I said, we won't know until we see Trevor under another offensive coaching staff.

You mean you won't know. I feel I know right now. I'm confident in my opinion because I've analyzed the tape more than you have.

^Err, okay.  How can you feel you know...if you hadn't decided it was all on Pederson?  To me that reads as you remotely implying it.  (Unless you're implying that it really is on Trevor's skill-set, but I doubt that.)


I can't believe I'm explaining this to someone that has such an in-depth understanding of Lawrence and Pederson's offense.

I hear you, imagine the frustration of explaining to someone what they have already said, when they keep shifting their points.

Yeah, more weak spin 
Just boarded a flight ... I'll hand you your [BLEEP] later

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And we're back at it.

    Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation.

Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.

You weren't - you were grossly premature with your take at that point and apparently still ignorant of how stupid it was to draw conclusions from the 2021 season

So me analyzing what a 2nd year QB needs to work on is "grossly premature", despite the fact that the Jaguars HC decided that it WAS in fact a problem in the upcoming season, to the point where he modified/simplified/limited his own offensive scheme for the following season?

Flight delayed - so I'll start dismantling your ignorant tripe takes while I wait.

So, you analyzing a rookie QB who entered the league under the worst HC of the past two generations of NFL coaches is where you supremely screwed up. 
Everyone with a micron of functional brain tissue understands the kid was thrown to the wolves with no parachute that year under Urban Meyer and despite me breaking it down for you time and time again  - you keep trying to press your "analysis" (LOL) - of that season as some sort of leverage in this "debate" (it's not a debate - you're making an [BLEEP] of yourself) 

next...

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And we're back at it.

[From Jan 2024]
    Give the kid another 1/4 second to process reads behind a line he can actually trust so he doesn't speed up the internal clock - and this conversation goes away completely.

From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

Bad stat.
Lawrence's "time to throw"  was 2.4 seconds per pass drop in 2024
- 2023 was 2.2  - so he got .2 seconds more.

Okay, you wanted an increase of .25 seconds, and you only got .2 seconds.  Did the missing 5 hundredths of a second prevent him from fixing the issue, or stop the conversation from going away? 

It might have helped if it weren't for all the other points being made that are flying over your thick head.
Go ahead and look up the number of PA downfield attempts in 24 vs 23 and let me know if you can wrap your head around how that affected the difference in release time

Wow 

You really are [BLEEP] dumb , huh? 

OK the answer was literally right in front of you and all you had to do was read and comprehend. 

The play action (clearly I should have never abbreviated that thinking you'd know a damn thing about football) - the p.lay a.ction deep ball attempts quadrupled from 2023 to 2024.

Think about that for like 10 or 20 seconds. 

What I need you to absorb is the time required for a receiver to run 10 yards versus the time required for a receiver to run 40 yards. Can you picture that? Can you imagine how .2 seconds fits into that variation?

Are you starting to understand the difference in release time from 2023 to 2024 because Trevor Lawrence held the ball that much longer in 2024 because that was the called play by an exponential increase? 

Do you figure he had .2 more seconds because he was faking a handoff and rolling to sling it deep 4 times more often that the year prior?? 

Holy hell, man. 

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NEXT - up after the flight - finally taking off

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And we're back at it.


Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.

You weren't - you were grossly premature with your take at that point and apparently still ignorant of how stupid it was to draw conclusions from the 2021 season

So me analyzing what a 2nd year QB needs to work on is "grossly premature", despite the fact that the Jaguars HC decided that it WAS in fact a problem in the upcoming season, to the point where he modified/simplified/limited his own offensive scheme for the following season?

Flight delayed - so I'll start dismantling your ignorant tripe takes while I wait.

So, you analyzing a rookie QB who entered the league under the worst HC of the past two generations of NFL coaches is where you supremely screwed up. 
Everyone with a micron of functional brain tissue understands the kid was thrown to the wolves with no parachute that year under Urban Meyer and despite me breaking it down for you time and time again  - you keep trying to press your "analysis" (LOL) - of that season as some sort of leverage in this "debate" (it's not a debate - you're making an [BLEEP] of yourself) 

next...

Hmm... So in your strange mind, Urban Meyer (agreeably terrible) made it IMPOSSIBLE to form any sort of opinion on Trevor Lawrence in his rookie year.   So me, not having "a micron of functional brain tissue", was what?  Lucky.  So extraordinarily lucky, that the new jaguars head coach just happened to have the same opinion during that year's season?  Guess I should have bought a lotto ticket on that day.

Waiting...

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

And we're back at it.




From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

Bad stat.
Lawrence's "time to throw"  was 2.4 seconds per pass drop in 2024
- 2023 was 2.2  - so he got .2 seconds more.

Okay, you wanted an increase of .25 seconds, and you only got .2 seconds.  Did the missing 5 hundredths of a second prevent him from fixing the issue, or stop the conversation from going away? 

It might have helped if it weren't for all the other points being made that are flying over your thick head.
Go ahead and look up the number of PA downfield attempts in 24 vs 23 and let me know if you can wrap your head around how that affected the difference in release time

Wow 

You really are [BLEEP] dumb , huh? 

OK the answer was literally right in front of you and all you had to do was read and comprehend. 

The play action (clearly I should have never abbreviated that thinking you'd know a damn thing about football) - the p.lay a.ction deep ball attempts quadrupled from 2023 to 2024.

Think about that for like 10 or 20 seconds. 

What I need you to absorb is the time required for a receiver to run 10 yards versus the time required for a receiver to run 40 yards. Can you picture that? Can you imagine how .2 seconds fits into that variation?

Are you starting to understand the difference in release time from 2023 to 2024 because Trevor Lawrence held the ball that much longer in 2024 because that was the called play by an exponential increase? 

Do you figure he had .2 more seconds because he was faking a handoff and rolling to sling it deep 4 times more often that the year prior?? 

Holy hell, man. 

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NEXT  -  up after the flight - finally taking off

[From Jan 2024]

Give the kid another 1/4 second to process reads behind a line he can actually trust so he doesn't speed up the internal clock - and this conversation goes away completely.

I don't see any 'unless they run play action more' in your post--so, in some ways, you're arguing against the point that YOU made.  I understand that running play-action increases the time to throw, but what about the non-PA plays.  Did he have less throwing time, or did his throwing time go down during those plays?  The vast majority of fans here agree that the Oline in 2024 is better than one in 2023, and I understand that their last half of the season was better than their first half, but this plays into your "behind a line he can trust" comment.

The question is how did Lawrence regress in several metrics (His accuracy was down 5 percentage points, and his passer rating dropped by 3) in 2024 from 2023?

Here's what Press Taylor (and again I agree that he's also terrible) had to say about accuracy early in the season:

“I think completion percentage and accuracy can be different at times,” Taylor said. I think I understand what you're saying with it. You take into account drops and throwaways, that's going to make it look like you are not accurate, quote-unquote, but I don't know if that's necessarily the case. 

“There have been times we missed some throws, whether that be timing, pressure, timing, and routes, or constricted field space in the red zone. I think those come into play as well.”

Is that all there is to it?

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

It was really bad.

And it feeds into the point I was making and the reasoning behind Pederson altering course with taxing Trevor with a bunch of horizontal reads opposed to quick hitters - one read plays - and 2 or 3 read plays stacked to one half of the field. Protection as well as TL's occasional habit to lock onto his desired target likely had a lot to do with the decision to alter course.  

Of course, the right fix was to improve the protection and eradicate that bad habit.
Instead - Pederson waited too long to fix the center - waited too long to fix LG - trusted Cam R too long at LT - and decided to mitigate Trevor instead of developing him. 
When that didn't work in 2023 he attempted to bolster the line in 2024, but rather than give TL plays demanding horizontal reads - he gave him quadruple the amount of play action downfield passes and kept the 2023 stuff. The protection was still too sketchy for the downfield passes frequently, but that one alteration did pay dividends at times. Just not game altering dividends.

It got him fired

I hope the next guy sees the PA potential but also develops TL to the next stage of pre snap and progression read proficiency.
You can cull through the tape and see plenty examples of him looking at an underneath guy until the deep coverage starts to shade toward that shallow route and THEN he throws deep. Next step is for him to work that same magic from left to right across the field more often and the playbook will need to demand that from him instead of deleting it.

Of all the things that need to improve on this team, Trevor is the last on my list.  If we have a good defense and a running game, Trevor will play like a pro bowl level quarterback.  It's that simple.  Trevor is fine.  He's the very last thing I am worried about on this team.

I see it all the time: the better the team, the better the quarterback looks.  And the worse the team, the worse the quarterback looks.  Football is a team game.  Put any talented player on a good team, and they look great.

This. Offensively they were one dimensional, get some road graders in middle, fix the run game. That and fix the defense and TL will be just fine.

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Flight delayed - so I'll start dismantling your ignorant tripe takes while I wait.

So, you analyzing a rookie QB who entered the league under the worst HC of the past two generations of NFL coaches is where you supremely screwed up. 
Everyone with a micron of functional brain tissue understands the kid was thrown to the wolves with no parachute that year under Urban Meyer and despite me breaking it down for you time and time again  - you keep trying to press your "analysis" (LOL) - of that season as some sort of leverage in this "debate" (it's not a debate - you're making an [BLEEP] of yourself) 

next...

Hmm... So in your strange mind, Urban Meyer (agreeably terrible) made it IMPOSSIBLE to form any sort of opinion on Trevor Lawrence in his rookie year.   So me, not having "a micron of functional brain tissue", was what?  Lucky.  So extraordinarily lucky, that the new jaguars head coach just happened to have the same opinion during that year's season?  Guess I should have bought a lotto ticket on that day.

Waiting...

Man, are you really trying to bring Urban up? I mean geez, that's running an argument into the ground right from the start. Your buying the word of a guy who didn't know who Aaron Donald was, kicked the kicker, didn't fly home with the team and said every game was 'like playing Alabama'?

In his first start Urban had him throw the ball 51 times for Christ's sake!

I get your all giddy about playoffs and it's probably better to focus on us than the absolute whipping your about to get Saturday in Arrowhead.

And you looking forward to paying Stroud $70+m a year. I'm sure all his problems this year are down to WR injury, a bad Oline and bad playcalling....

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For goodness sake, re-read the post. I RESPONDED AND AGREED THAT HE IS TERRIBLE! 

 You know--and this going shock you and your keyboard tough guy pal--it IS in fact possible to disagree, without losing all manner of personal respect... Even on the internet.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Damn it must be offseason

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Jaguars owner wanted Pederson to call plays if I’m not mistaken.

He said that in an interview.  He said "I know who I want to call plays" reference to Pederson.

Pederson not wanting to call plays or losing his touch for calling plays or whatever the deal is such a “cause jags” thing. SMH we couldn’t have lucky like the chiefs did when they got an x eagle coach.

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Damn it must be offseason

Only for one of us.  

(At least until Saturday, the Texans have to try to beat the Chiefs and the refs, in what is considered one of the loudest stadiums in the NFL.)

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

He said that in an interview.  He said "I know who I want to call plays" reference to Pederson.

Pederson not wanting to call plays or losing his touch for calling plays or whatever the deal is such a “cause jags” thing. SMH we couldn’t have lucky like the chiefs did when they got an x eagle coach.

We chose to hire Gus Bradley instead of Andy Reid. Most #becausejaguars thing ever.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I really couldn't care less about who calls the plays, offense or defense.  In my mind it makes more sense for the coordinator to do it.  Having the Head Coach doing it to me borderlines on micro-managing.  If the Head Coach does it, then what exactly is the job of the Offensive Coordinator?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.