Because he is a good player... Just not worth that kind of money. The top end players that play his role on defense never see $10 million, let alone the $12-14 million that he seeks.

They never see $10 million... and we've never seen a $155 million cap.


Rising tides and all.

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They never see $10 million... and we've never seen a $155 million cap.


Rising tides and all.

 

Every other player in the league will get a raise too with inflation... The cap went up 8%, not 40-60%.  Give him double what the inflation rate is on last year's $9 million market value and it puts you somewhere between $10 and 11 million, not $14 million and rising.

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Every other player in the league will get a raise too with inflation... The cap went up 8%, not 40-60%.  Give him double what the inflation rate is on last year's $9 million market value and it puts you somewhere between $10 and 11 million, not $14 million and rising.

1) Every player getting paid more was my point.

2) What exactly is "last years $9 million market value"?

3) You're panicking over a rumored figure.

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Coming from someone who's seen plenty of Broncos games over the last couple of years, I don't see it. I just don't. Much like Julius Thomas is and was a product of Peyton Manning, Jackson has benefited greatly from having Derek Wolfe and Sly Williams, two of the best DLs you've never heard of, working the line with him. Not enough? How about DeMarcus Ware right behind him, keeping offensive attention focused up the field? Or Von Miller on the other side?


Long story short, Broncos' opponents shifted a lot of protection to the other side of the field to keep Miller and Wolfe tied up. Ware was more of a draw than Jackson. Malik Jackson is just another Julius Thomas--a guy who looks far better than he really is because he has the right players around him. Pass.

And he still has the same sack production as andre branch.


Thank u for the truth about julius thomas. Ud think peoples eyes would be opened after paying 9 million a year for 455 yards and 5 tds!!!!!!!

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And he still has the same sack production as andre branch.


Thank u for the truth about julius thomas. Ud think peoples eyes would be opened after paying 9 million a year for 455 yards and 5 tds!!!!!!!

 

I have no problem with JT's stats especially when you consider he missed 5 games and any chance of building chemistry with Blake in the pre-season.

 

As for Malik, you do realize you are comparing an interior rusher to an edge guy, right? Malik was second among DTs last year in pressure.

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Lol. 14 million for pressures...

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Lol. 14 million for pressures...

Yeah, who would want that from a DT? Stick the the political forum... lol

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14 MILLION for pressures... Stick to the sand box

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1) Every player getting paid more was my point.

2) What exactly is "last years $9 million market value"?

3) You're panicking over a rumored figure.

 

1.)  It is mine too.  Some are approaching it as we have all this cap space so who cares if we grossly, grossly, grossly overpay players, when in reality, since every player will be getting proportionately larger raises, the space isn't as large as it would appear.

 

2.) Jared Odrick, a very similar player in both role and production, signed last offseason for $8.5 million.  I think that would more or less set Malik Jackson's market value at $9 million had he had his 2015 season in 2014 and was a free agent last offseason.

 

3.) I'm not panicking.  I'm trying to explain to people that it would be a bad idea.  That you would greatly regret having signed him at the end of the season when you realize how much of the cap you invested into a player for 4 or 5 sack and how many more players you could have had instead of him.

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1.) It is mine too. Some are approaching it as we have all this cap space so who cares if we grossly, grossly, grossly overpay players, when in reality, since every player will be getting proportionately larger raises, the space isn't as large as it would appear.


2.) Jared Odrick, a very similar player in both role and production, signed last offseason for $8.5 million. I think that would more or less set Malik Jackson's market value at $9 million had he had his 2015 season in 2014 and was a free agent last offseason.


3.) I'm not panicking. I'm trying to explain to people that it would be a bad idea. That you would greatly regret having signed him at the end of the season when you realize how much of the cap you invested into a player for 4 or 5 sack and how many more players you could have had instead of him.

I'm still waiting for your list of players the team should sign in lieu of Jackson. One handed JPP? Trevathan? Weddle? Who?

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14 MILLION for pressures... Stick to the sand box

 

I know it doesn't look nearly as sexy in the stat book, but pressures are extremely important. Football 101, really.

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So if we don't want to pay for pressures then I guess no Jackson or Vernon. So with 90 million in cap we go and sign.......zero defensive help,who knew all along that not fixing the defense will fix it! Genius!

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I'm still waiting for your list of players the team should sign in lieu of Jackson. One handed JPP? Trevathan? Weddle? Who?

 

I'll let you know when we know who is available.  Like I posted earlier, we have no idea who will be there and who won't until free agency starts.  

 

To start naming some that could potentially be available:

 

Cordy Glenn

Russell Okung

Kelechi Osemele

Alex Mack

Muhammad Wilkerson

Mario Williams

Olivier Vernon

Jason Pierre-Paul

Tamba Hali

Greg Hardy

Von Miller

Bruce Irvin

Aldon Smith

Danny Trevathan

Derrick Johnson

Josh Norman

Janoris Jenkins

Trumaine Johnson

Sean Smith

Eric Berry

Eric Weddle

Reggie Nelson

Tashaun Gipson

George Iloka

 

Obviously a few of these won't be made available and you can add a few more players who may be late or surprise cuts by the time free agency starts.  All of the above players would either have a much greater impact or have a comparable impact at a fraction of the price.

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So if we don't want to pay for pressures then I guess no Jackson or Vernon. So with 90 million in cap we go and sign.......zero defensive help,who knew all along that not fixing the defense will fix it! Genius!

 

Pretty much. Back to the frugal drawing board errrrr sandbox.

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Cleveland's got about $40 million in cap space.  If they don't re-sign Gipson, you'd have to ask yourself why unless he's just simply asking for too much money. 

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So if we don't want to pay for pressures then I guess no Jackson or Vernon. So with 90 million in cap we go and sign.......zero defensive help,who knew all along that not fixing the defense will fix it! Genius!

 

If that's the hyperbole going around.

 

I guess not absurdly overpaying one good, not great, player at a position we don't need to one of the richest contracts in the NFL means sitting on our hands and not signing anyone.

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If that's the hyperbole going around.


I guess not absurdly overpaying one good, not great, player at a position we don't need to one of the richest contracts in the NFL means sitting on our hands and not signing anyone.

You act like we don't need D line help which is puzzling. Jackson is the best interior pass rusher(not counting Wilkerson) on the market,he knows that and so do the broncos who offered him $12 mil per year. If we had 20 mil in cap space no I don't throw 14 at him but with 80 mil Yaaa I give him that. Could make almost all that up by cutting beadles,Gerhart and Clemons.

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You act like we don't need D line help which is puzzling. Jackson is the best interior pass rusher(not counting Wilkerson) on the market,he knows that and so do the broncos who offered him $12 mil per year. If we had 20 mil in cap space no I don't throw 14 at him but with 80 mil Yaaa I give him that. Could make almost all that up by cutting beadles,Gerhart and Clemons.

 

I just listed 9 pass rushers that I would sign a few posts up...  So how am I acting like we don't need D line help?  Jackson isn't any better than Odrick and if it's pass rush that you want, Marks is a better interior pass rusher.  This guy was a nobody and then he suddenly becomes a $14 million dollar man off of one 5 sack season?  

 

Like I've said many times, I don't mind overpaying, but I'm not overpaying by 50% for a player who isn't a superstar.  Sorry, $14 million for a non-impact player is too much for me.

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1.)  It is mine too.  Some are approaching it as we have all this cap space so who cares if we grossly, grossly, grossly overpay players, when in reality, since every player will be getting proportionately larger raises, the space isn't as large as it would appear.

Isn't as large as it would appear?


Maybe your right, we should probably try to get $150 million under the cap instead of only $100 million. THEN just think of the guys we could sign.

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I know it doesn't look nearly as sexy in the stat book, but pressures are extremely important. Football 101, really.

Von miller and demarcus ware tortured qbs and won a championship. Malik jackson was there. Im not paying the guy who was just THERE. Football 101.

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