What rules will mumble mouth Tony set for the callers today?

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He wanted Melvin Ingram IIRC

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Prisco can go to hell. There's a reason why I don't read that inept moronic clown.

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Prisco can go to hell. There's a reason why I don't read that inept moronic clown.

good grief, man

 

that's strong language

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^^Lol

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Prisco can go to hell. There's a reason why I don't read that inept moronic clown.

What'd he kick your dog or something?

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What'd he kick your dog or something?

Matter of fact, he did.. Put ole Ruffles right in the E.R.. He beats his mom too.. The guy is a straight tool..

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I would never wish for anyone to go to Hell, not even my worst enemy

 

Are you okay, Winger?

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I would never wish for anyone to go to Hell, not even my worst enemy


Are you okay, Winger?

I'm good.. Always am..

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Actually, I agree with Prisco on this one.  Let the season play out and see how everyone, players and coaches react.  What's the worst that will happen?  The team loses out and gets a high draft pick?  The team turns it around and meets the expectations of so many and ends up with a better record than last season?

 

I remember prior to the season that most on this board thought that a .500 season was out of the question.  Many predicted less than that with around 6-10 being the final record.  What if the 6-10 record that was predicted is met?  Would that not be meeting expectations?

 

Many on this board last season and the season before were tired of being blown out and the game being decided by halftime.  Being competitive and being in a position of at least having a chance to win was a milestone that many were calling for.  That milestone has been reached.

 

The next goal is for the team to learn how to finish games, and I have confidence that it will happen.  I also think that the theoretical threshold of 6-10 will be reached and possibly even be exceeded.  I wish that I could say that it starts Sunday in London, but I don't think it will happen then.  It's going to start after the bye week.

 

The bottom line is Prisco is right.  Firing Gus Bradley does nothing at this point other than conceding and giving up the fight.  When you do that, you are accepting defeat and you should not expect a young team to try and get better.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Pretty sure Gus Bradley cant get this team to .500

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The bottom line is Prisco is right.  Firing Gus Bradley does nothing at this point other than conceding and giving up the fight.  When you do that, you are accepting defeat and you should not expect a young team to try and get better.

I don't think that applies here. Marrone had shown himself to be a decent coach. In fact, if the Bills hadn't written a $4M to walk provision into his contract, he'd still be the coach there. That says a lot about integrity, but if Marrone gets the reins after the bye week and takes the team to a 7-9 finish wouldn't finding our next coach be worth the risk of changing coaches midseason? I doubt that Marrone is the right guy to lead the team long term, but when you know that your current head coach is not that guy and you've got an experienced former HC on the payroll, why wouldn't you give the new guy a shot?

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if we fire bradley and another hc takes over and we start winning... well never know if that would have happened without firing him.

gota wait the season out

The Dolphins fired Joe Philbin this season after starting poorly and playing some pretty pathetic stuff this season. Their defense was poor. They didn't bother much with their running game. And in general there wasn't much energy or fight shown by their team. It was almost as if the team had given up on their coach and the season. They made a bold move and fired Philbin and replaced him with Dan Campbell as interim head coach. They fired their defensive coordinator and promoted one of their existing positional coaches. And these changes saw a new attitude taken into training and this came through into their performance on Sunday when they came out of their bye week firing on all cylinders. Their defense turned up and played physical (or overly physical if you listen to some within the Titans' camp). They found their running game by actually giving their very talented running back the ball. And other than Tannehill showing both sides of his game (2 TDs and 2 INTs), they played their best football of the season after making changes to their team. 

 

Now I get the argument - "we'll never know if that would have happened without firing him" - but in the Dolphins' case, firing Philbin may have kick started their season. Philbin never struck me as a good fit to be a head coach, and to be honest, I am surprised he lasted as long as he did. In the past two seasons they ended up choking at the end of the season and wasting an opportunity to potentially make the play offs. And that's without considering the bullying scandal in which he probably should have lost his job for not being able to control or know what is going on in his locker room. That said, it is early days for them and they could go back to old ways in their next game. But I don't think Dan Campbell is going to let them tone down their new found intensity. They probably are not make the play offs, but I think a coaching change mid season may help them in the long run in helping promote an identity change. 

 

As for us making a similar change, I am not convinced it would change very much. I don't think there is a problem with intensity or energy, that is something Gus brings to the table. And I don't think our players have given up on the season either, they seem pretty damn pissed off with keep losing and making the same mistakes - that isn't all Gus' fault. He doesn't tell Blake Bortles to make a bad read and throw an interception. He doesn't tell his defense to miss tackles. He and his staff put the players into the position to make plays, and granted we can question some of the play calls, but ultimately it is up to our players to execute. If they don't, the same mistakes will happen and this coaching staff will ultimately lose their jobs, and arguably someone will step in next season and get them executing the plays and be seen as a saviour for turning this franchise around. But if our players finally start to execute on the field, keep their mistakes to a minimum, and take their chances, then this team can and will win football games. This team is close to being competitive, not a Super Bowl contender, but certainly good enough to be going .500. Maybe that is my Jaguars' bias leaking through, but I don't see this team as being one of the worst in the league. We have talent. We just don't have players playing well enough, consistently enough, throughout four quarters to win a game. I don't think firing Gus and putting Malone or whoever else in charge will change that. The only time I see such changes working is when you go from a lifeless type coach like Philbin to a more passionate coach like Campbell, or from Dennis Allen to Tony Sparano. And even then, it may or may not translate into wins. So we may as well let Gus see the season out and see what happens. If it turns around, great. If it doesn't, make a change in the off season. 

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I don't think that applies here. Marrone had shown himself to be a decent coach. In fact, if the Bills hadn't written a $4M to walk provision into his contract, he'd still be the coach there. That says a lot about integrity, but if Marrone gets the reins after the bye week and takes the team to a 7-9 finish wouldn't finding our next coach be worth the risk of changing coaches midseason? I doubt that Marrone is the right guy to lead the team long term, but when you know that your current head coach is not that guy and you've got an experienced former HC on the payroll, why wouldn't you give the new guy a shot?

 

So what you are saying is, "throw out the benchmark before a coach has a chance to meet or not meet the benchmark".  Look at the schedule after the bye week.  It is very possible to win at least 5 of those games if not more.  That would meet the 6-10 expectations of many on this board.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Prisco can go to hell. There's a reason why I don't read that inept moronic clown.

That's probably not why you "don't read....."

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I ain't no monkey... I'm an ape.

I remember prior to the season that most on this board thought that a .500 season was out of the question.  Many predicted less than that with around 6-10 being the final record.  What if the 6-10 record that was predicted is met?  Would that not be meeting expectations?

 

 

The expectation last year was that the Jags would be in the playoff hunt deep into the 2015 season. There is a reason the expectations were lowered so drastically this year. Expectations of 6-10 were partly based on the knowledge that the Jags didn't have a very good coach. We just lost 3 of the most winnable games on our schedule. Do you really think that 6-10 is even a reasonably remote possibility at this point?


 

 

The bottom line is Prisco is right.  Firing Gus Bradley does nothing at this point other than conceding and giving up the fight.  When you do that, you are accepting defeat and you should not expect a young team to try and get better.

 

 

Some might say that keeping Gus as head coach is conceding and giving up the fight.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

So what you are saying is, "throw out the benchmark before a coach has a chance to meet or not meet the benchmark". Look at the schedule after the bye week. It is very possible to win at least 5 of those games if not more. That would meet the 6-10 expectations of many on this board.

Haven't the past 3 games taught us that there is no predicting success by looking at the schedule?

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Gus Maronne was passed over by 3 other teams in the head coaching search last fall. Possibly due to leaving Buffalo after only 1 season, in which he had a winning season. That never happens, which speaks to something under the surface. Essentially, I'm not sure he would be much of an improvement.

 

Just wait until the end of season. People are talking about how not firing Gus now would lose the fanbase? Really, who? Everyone that is in that danger is already lost. The only issue would be season tickets next year, but if they bring a new coach next year they may still retain them.

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Gus Maronne was passed over by 3 other teams in the head coaching search last fall. Possibly due to leaving Buffalo after only 1 season, in which he had a winning season. That never happens, which speaks to something under the surface. Essentially, I'm not sure he would be much of an improvement.


Just wait until the end of season. People are talking about how not firing Gus now would lose the fanbase? Really, who? Everyone that is in that danger is already lost. The only issue would be season tickets next year, but if they bring a new coach next year they may still retain them.

They listened to the fans when Hamneck Henne was polluting the joint.

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Gus Maronne was passed over by 3 other teams in the head coaching search last fall. Possibly due to leaving Buffalo after only 1 season, in which he had a winning season. That never happens, which speaks to something under the surface. Essentially, I'm not sure he would be much of an improvement.


Just wait until the end of season. People are talking about how not firing Gus now would lose the fanbase? Really, who? Everyone that is in that danger is already lost. The only issue would be season tickets next year, but if they bring a new coach next year they may still retain them.

If the team needs a new head coach, then the right appointment can bring the fans in. Look at the effect Rex Ryan has had in Buffalo. They sold over 60,000 season tickets, and I think they even started a waiting list (albeit short and likely to disappear if their season continues to go down the pan).


We could be similar. If we appoint a head coach that brings excitement and hope back to the team, then the season ticket sales could be boosted. Whereas keeping Gus may result in less renewing or buying them if he is given another season.


I think the issue with Marrone is that not long after giving a speech after the last game about family and how they play and work for each other, he waltzes off with a nice pay day and sticking two fingers up to them all. I guess taking the pay day may make sense to some, but I feel a lot will view him as a quitter who didn't believe he could take that team any further than he already did, and took the first chance to get out. I don't think many teams would view that in a positive way, hence why they passed on him at this time.

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