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09-14-2021, 06:38 PM
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(09-14-2021, 06:07 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: https://justthenews.com/government/court...re-workers Nah, pretty sure that strain will only affect blacks and Hispanics. Covid is racist too. I just saw it on the news. Crackers, honkies, and gringos need not worry.
09-14-2021, 07:12 PM
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(09-14-2021, 01:29 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:(09-14-2021, 12:04 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: It's not just the politicians. Doctors are pressured to prescribe drugs to patients. I think this is a very poor generalization. My doctor is in his 30s and leans toward getting people off of medicines and leans towards holistic treatments. ![]() We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(09-14-2021, 09:44 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Is anyone shocked by this? FSG? Not really, they discuss the limitations of this study pretty well in the article. The two cohorts (kids and veterans) are not at all representative of the population, so a study of those groups doesn't necessarily scale upwards. It seems that the pre-vaccine numbers were worse than the post vaccine numbers, but still more than half of the admissions were "moderate to severe" according to their rather simplistic delineation. By that I mean that they need a measure so they chose one that made sense to them, not that the measure itself is simplistic. They also note that much of their data is from the pre-Delta time period, so I would like to see if and how they aggregate and include more recent datasets. I agree that a precise and universal metric would be nice, but getting that in a nation with the geographic footprint of one our size isn't easy as they discuss in the article. They also note that even mild cases that require a brief inpatient stay consumes resources that could and often are needed for more serious cases of Covid or other illnesses. Using a VA cohort is also problematic because, generally speaking, veterans with access to VA healthcare have it because of a chronic condition or injury associated with their time in uniform, so it makes sense that they have a significant number of other diagnoses related to their hospital stays. I find it interesting that the authors attribute the lower numbers of severe cases directly and totally to vaccination, though I'm sure some will ignore that most important conclusion from the study. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
Totally get that. I noticed the same limitations and would have been disappointed if you didn't point that out. We just need better data.
Anecdotally speaking, though, I have more than one friend that went to the hospital for mild symptoms. These were both young people that had a false impression of their likelihood of dying from Covid. Either way, the narrative that is spun around this is contributing to misinformation and consumes hospital resources. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(09-14-2021, 09:44 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Is anyone shocked by this? FSG? I was doing some light reading last week and found this that I thought you might enjoy. Current controversy Frauds in scientific research and how to possibly overcome them https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2020/1...020-106639 “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
What's the motivation for these doctors and Surgisphere to publish false data? That's the question I feel like we need to ask. How do they benefit from this?
(09-15-2021, 09:00 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: What's the motivation for these doctors and Surgisphere to publish false data? That's the question I feel like we need to ask. How do they benefit from this? Sell the access to the data and profit. By the time it's discovered they can just call it a QA issue to cover it up. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
The science and application of medicine and medical practice in a for profit environment will always be driven by one thing obviously. Profit.
For the medical community Covid has become one of the largest money grabs from the Feds that has rolled around since who knows when. When the money dries up, so will the seriousness of Covid.
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(09-15-2021, 09:59 AM)Jagwired Wrote: The science and application of medicine and medical practice in a for profit environment will always be driven by one thing obviously. Profit. While that might be accurate for some parts of the R&D and manufacturing segments, for the providers of care it's not. Our bottom line is down year over year for the two years of the pandemic because we've stopped or reduced so many services to focus on Covid care while also paying a higher cost for the care we are providing. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
Yeah, I honestly think hospitals and doctors are the victims of this crony capitalism. They have been being bullied by the pharma and insurance industries for years. I ultimately blame the doctors for not standing up to this nonsense, but it is what it is. We, the people, need to be held responsible at some point. We need to clean up insurance and severely punish big pharma execs who exploit people for profit.
(09-15-2021, 09:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(09-15-2021, 09:00 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: What's the motivation for these doctors and Surgisphere to publish false data? That's the question I feel like we need to ask. How do they benefit from this? I'm not sure that's true in this case. I don't get why this relatively obscure company would lie about data on both sides of the issue... first for HCQ and secondly, in the other direction, for Ivermectin. It's just odd.
(09-15-2021, 12:24 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Yeah, I honestly think hospitals and doctors are the victims of this crony capitalism. They have been being bullied by the pharma and insurance industries for years. I ultimately blame the doctors for not standing up to this nonsense, but it is what it is. We, the people, need to be held responsible at some point. We need to clean up insurance and severely punish big pharma execs who exploit people for profit. It doesn't strike me as lying to influence the studies so much as to keep the business façade going. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
I have talked to a nurse who is out of work because her specialty is having procedures cancled. But she is a nurse who can do basic nurse stuff. Why is she out of work if hospitals are over run?
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09-15-2021, 03:29 PM
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I also talked to someone who was vaccinated and in the hospital for 30 days with covid. In sadder news a co-worker of mine has lost 2 close relatives to covid. And before you ask, no I did not ask for medical records as proof that they died soley from covid, I am going by what my co-worker told me.
I would be interested in seeing the physical statistics of those hospitalized by COVID.
09-15-2021, 06:30 PM
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Tried posting this twice but I will give it one more shot. This entire conversation is over as far as I am concerned. When the figurehead in charge mandates vaccines for all and then exempts certain government departments then all credibility has been lost.
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