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Fauci is a mutant virus.
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Solid truth
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(09-14-2021, 06:07 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: https://justthenews.com/government/court...re-workers

Also, Fauci is now worried about a mutant virus that will affect the vaccinated.

Nah, pretty sure that strain will only affect blacks and Hispanics.  Covid is racist too. I just saw it on the news. Crackers, honkies, and gringos need not worry.
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(09-14-2021, 01:29 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(09-14-2021, 12:04 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: It's not just the politicians. Doctors are pressured to prescribe drugs to patients.

I've always been critical just by the way big pharma "sells" meds to doctors and gives them incentives for prescribing the drugs. I hate pharma reps. They're drug dealers just as much as the guy on the corner. 

About 20 years ago a doctor tried to prescribe me a new med to replace something I was already taking that was working. I told him no. He tried several times and I said no every time. Finally I had to change doctors because he would no longer prescribe the med I'd been taking. A few years ago a specialist tried to prescribe me a drug for something I didn't even have (but he was convinced I did) and it wasn't approved by the FDA to be used for my phantom condition. I refused every time. I was literally saved by my insurance company who refused to pay for the drug because (1) it was ridiculous expensive, (2) there was no proof I had the condition the doctor was trying to treat, and (3) the lack of FDA approval. I was hounded by that doctor to take the drug and he finally had to drop it when insurance stepped in. 

Because of this I have a legit criticism of big pharma and how they operate and is one reason why I do not trust anything about this vaccine or the politicians and medical community who are pushing it on us. Anyone who makes a medical decision based on what anyone other than a qualified medical professional who knows them and their medical history is a fool. The problem with this is the initial and continuing misinformation by the CDC and Fauci and the politicization by both the democrats and republicans. No one knows anything for sure and it seems "facts" are being walked back on the regular which makes it worse.

There are pros and cons to having an older doctor. My PCP is in his 60s and is pretty old school in not prescribing things without a historical track record,  which I think is great, but there can be a downside to that as well.

I think younger doctors are more prone to the pitches of the pharma reps.

I think this is a very poor generalization.  My doctor is in his 30s and leans toward getting people off of medicines and leans towards holistic treatments.
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Why does Nicki Minoj know what her cousins testicles look like?
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Is anyone shocked by this? FSG?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi...ng/620062/
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Nope. Not shocked at all.
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(09-14-2021, 09:44 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Is anyone shocked by this? FSG?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi...ng/620062/

Not really, they discuss the limitations of this study pretty well in the article. The two cohorts (kids and veterans) are not at all representative of the population, so a study of those groups doesn't necessarily scale upwards. It seems that the pre-vaccine numbers were worse than the post vaccine numbers, but still more than half of the admissions were "moderate to severe" according to their rather simplistic delineation. By that I mean that they need a measure so they chose one that made sense to them, not that the measure itself is simplistic. They also note that much of their data is from the pre-Delta time period, so I would like to see if and how they aggregate and include more recent datasets. I agree that a precise and universal metric would be nice, but getting that in a nation with the geographic footprint of one our size isn't easy as they discuss in the article. They also note that even mild cases that require a brief inpatient stay consumes resources that could and often are needed for more serious cases of Covid or other illnesses. Using a VA cohort is also problematic because, generally speaking, veterans with access to VA healthcare have it because of a chronic condition or injury associated with their time in uniform, so it makes sense that they have a significant number of other diagnoses related to their hospital stays. I find it interesting that the authors attribute the lower numbers of severe cases directly and totally to vaccination, though I'm sure some will ignore that most important conclusion from the study.
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Totally get that. I noticed the same limitations and would have been disappointed if you didn't point that out. We just need better data.

Anecdotally speaking, though, I have more than one friend that went to the hospital for mild symptoms. These were both young people that had a false impression of their likelihood of dying from Covid. Either way, the narrative that is spun around this is contributing to misinformation and consumes hospital resources.
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(09-14-2021, 09:44 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Is anyone shocked by this? FSG?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi...ng/620062/

I was doing some light reading last week and found this that I thought you might enjoy.

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Frauds in scientific research and how to possibly overcome them

https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2020/1...020-106639
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What's the motivation for these doctors and Surgisphere to publish false data? That's the question I feel like we need to ask. How do they benefit from this?
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(09-15-2021, 09:00 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: What's the motivation for these doctors and Surgisphere to publish false data? That's the question I feel like we need to ask. How do they benefit from this?

Sell the access to the data and profit. By the time it's discovered they can just call it a QA issue to cover it up.
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The science and application of medicine and medical practice in a for profit environment will always be driven by one thing obviously. Profit.

For the medical community Covid has become one of the largest money grabs from the Feds that has rolled around since who knows when. When the money dries up, so will the seriousness of Covid.
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(09-15-2021, 09:59 AM)Jagwired Wrote: The science and application of medicine and medical practice in a for profit environment will always be driven by one thing obviously. Profit.

For the medical community Covid has become one of the largest money grabs from the Feds that has rolled around since who knows when. When the money dries up, so will the seriousness of Covid.

While that might be accurate for some parts of the R&D and manufacturing segments, for the providers of care it's not. Our bottom line is down year over year for the two years of the pandemic because we've stopped or reduced so many services to focus on Covid care while also paying a higher cost for the care we are providing.
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Yeah, I honestly think hospitals and doctors are the victims of this crony capitalism. They have been being bullied by the pharma and insurance industries for years. I ultimately blame the doctors for not standing up to this nonsense, but it is what it is. We, the people, need to be held responsible at some point. We need to clean up insurance and severely punish big pharma execs who exploit people for profit.

(09-15-2021, 09:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(09-15-2021, 09:00 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: What's the motivation for these doctors and Surgisphere to publish false data? That's the question I feel like we need to ask. How do they benefit from this?

Sell the access to the data and profit. By the time it's discovered they can just call it a QA issue to cover it up.

I'm not sure that's true in this case. I don't get why this relatively obscure company would lie about data on both sides of the issue... first for HCQ and secondly, in the other direction, for Ivermectin. It's just odd.
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(09-15-2021, 12:24 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Yeah, I honestly think hospitals and doctors are the victims of this crony capitalism. They have been being bullied by the pharma and insurance industries for years. I ultimately blame the doctors for not standing up to this nonsense, but it is what it is. We, the people, need to be held responsible at some point. We need to clean up insurance and severely punish big pharma execs who exploit people for profit.

(09-15-2021, 09:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Sell the access to the data and profit. By the time it's discovered they can just call it a QA issue to cover it up.

I'm not sure that's true in this case. I don't get why this relatively obscure company would lie about data on both sides of the issue... first for HCQ and secondly, in the other direction, for Ivermectin. It's just odd.

It doesn't strike me as lying to influence the studies so much as to keep the business façade going.
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I have talked to a nurse who is out of work because her specialty is having procedures cancled. But she is a nurse who can do basic nurse stuff. Why is she out of work if hospitals are over run?
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I also talked to someone who was vaccinated and in the hospital for 30 days with covid. In sadder news a co-worker of mine has lost 2 close relatives to covid. And before you ask, no I did not ask for medical records as proof that they died soley from covid, I am going by what my co-worker told me.
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I would be interested in seeing the physical statistics of those hospitalized by COVID.
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Tried posting this twice but I will give it one more shot. This entire conversation is over as far as I am concerned. When the figurehead in charge mandates vaccines for all and then exempts certain government departments then all credibility has been lost.
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